Mauser Action

[trobi]

i have seen some turk m38 actions for sale. are the turks that are small ring that people are building up?

they want $75. for them. is that a fair price? want one to build on. also what would be a good short action to build on?

thanks, kingsman

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[Horsefly]

Turk 38 is sorta generic.The 38's were a varity of actions,and the ones that were 98/22's and regular 98 large ring had the reciever's shortened to leave a lip on the front for a handguard to fit under.The turk you want to put a small-ring barrel on need to be a K.KALE.The action is standard length plus the lip for the handguard that is easily removed giving you all the meat for a strong action.

Here's an add from Sarco: 98 Mauser Action Special. Complete Contract 98 Mauser Action(Model 1938)V.G. condition.Made in 1945-These are standard 98 actions with a small handguard retainer extension on the front end of the reciever(easily removed).We have observed no(or little)pitting on the recievers.These come with a 8x57mm barrel attached(condition unknown).Super Special $49.95

 

If they are K.KALES,that's a much better deal.Jerry

[bilurey]

Turk Mauser variations can be very confusing. In 1938 Mustaffa Kemmel (Atturk) attempted to unify the Turk small arms supply to use the 154grn. 8x57JS cartridge at 2950fps in a 29 inch barrel (this is why the Turk ammo gives such a loud bang and strong shoulder punch). This meant converting M1888 commission rifles, 1893 Mausers, and 1903 Mausers to this cartridge from their original chambering of the 7.65x54 Belgian cartridge. These rifles used a modified front receiver ring which caused the actions of the M93 and M1903 to be somewhat shorter when the extension of the front ring to hold the rear end of the handguard is removed, it also caused wide variations in barrel shank lengths. M1888 and Gew98 rifles Turkey received from Germany during WWI were already chambered for this cartridge, as were the M98/22s purchased from the Czechs, and needed no modifications.

 

Turkey remained neutral during WWII and had to manufacture it's own Mauser 98s as the Gerrman supply was cut off following WWI and the Czech suppley cut off at the begining of WWII. They chose to retain the small diameter barrel shank in the large ring M98s they produced. These appear to be strong enough for most cartridges, but, manufacturing tolerances vary considerably more. I've seen or seen pics of numerous rifles made up from these actions, the owners seemed happy and the gunsmiths comfortable about using them.

 

While more expensive, pre-WWII Mauser, DWM, or Vz24 military actions are available, are more finely crafted, and are easier to fit replacment parts onto. But for starters. the Turks have allowed a large number of new enthusiastic shooters to get into the game very inexpensively. Bill

[ken98k]

"M1888 and Gew98 rifles Turkey received from Germany during WWI were already chambered for this cartridge, as were the M98/22s purchased from the Czechs, and needed no modifications."

 

 

I sold a GEW98 to a member of this board that had been "turked"

[trobi]

the way that it is listed is;large ring98 w/ small ring threads. has thicker front ring than the true 98 reciever.it has standard mag well. does this describe the proper turk action

[ken98k]

the way that it is listed is;large ring98 w/ small ring threads. has thicker front ring than the true 98 reciever.it has standard mag well. does this describe the proper turk action

 

Typically Turk 38s (k-kale)are similar dimensions to standard 98 receivers except-

1. They accept a "small ring" diameter barrel. (Same outside diameter as standard 98 therefore "thicker")

2. They are slightly longer due to the hand guard extension on the front of the receiver. (Easily removed when truing the receiver face.)

 

Actions that are referred to as being "Turked" are standard receivers that have had the receiver counter bored to create the hand guard extension, thereby removing the first couple threads.

 

These photos show the ring before and after

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