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At the Wednesday debate, Hill said people in NYC could not carry guns as it made the police feel unsafe.

 

Now follow the logic: Police are by nature part of the government, so people cannot be armed as it makes the government

feel unsafe. I guess the guy or gal getting mugged in the subway is just s.o.l.

 

karl

 

P.S.

 

I don't think that Hill or obama for that matter, give a big rat's rear for cops but she figured that it sounded "caring".

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As long as you have Secret Service assigned to protect you, it's easy to say nobody can have a gun. Now then, if they would assign specially trained security for me, I wouldn't worry about self defense. So far, the typical police can't even begin to protect the public. The evidence proves it. When you need them, they are always on the other side of town. 911 just doesn't get them there in time to protect the people, even if you could get the phone call made.

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Liberals do not want you to have guns because they believe it is the government's job to take care of you, not your own. If you can take care of yourself, you do not need the government and then where would they be?

 

Liberals do not want you to have guns because they believe they are smarter than you and aught to be able to tell you what you can and cannot do. They say you should not have guns so you shouldn't have them.

 

None of this has anything to do with helping people or being a caring individual. Its about power; plain and simple. If you don't believe me, ask Hillary Clinton or George Soros would they rather someone else boss them around or would they rather sit at the top and give all the orders?

 

I've never met a socialist or liberal Democrat who failed to think of him/herself as "elite" and likewise took individual responsibility for his/her actions.

 

These people represent everything that's wrong with our country....

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There are actually alot of pro gun liberals out there, and I dont mean democrats from rural areas, but I mean real liberals, Whoopi Goldberg is an example of a pro gun liberal, and most of the college professors who filed briefs in Heller Vs DC are pro gun liberals. We shouldnt try to isolate a certain group of shooters who will normally have our backs.

 

And Hillary and Obama are just idiots, but hillary would be less of a danger to gun rights as she does support CCWs, and obama doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to politics.

 

I suggest everyone on here from PA should vote for clinton in the primary just to cause some mischief.

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Odamna said folks in Penn. are a bunch of gun toting Bible thumpers.That would make a good tourism brochure,'cause it sounds like my kinda place.To save my arse,I can't see the slam he intended.A person that believes in the Bible and has the nads to pack a gun to protect his or hers family is 100% American in my eyes.I've pulled a gun on someone twice in my life,once on a thief,and once I stopped a dude from robbing me and my wife in a parking lot,and there's is know way possible that the police could have helped me.Hill and Odamna are both nuts.Jerry

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I see them as statist, elitist swine, who have NEVER done anything to earn the title "elite" except lie and run for office.

 

Both are convinced that "THEY" know how we should live.

 

The problem as they see it, it that we are too stupid to recognize our "betters" or gratefully accept their wisdom.

That and the fact that we are armed makes us dangerous to both their health and their ambitions.

 

Their stand on guns has nothing to do with crime, they are smart enough to know how to control that.

No, "Crime" is a part of the left's "deconstruction of the American culture".

 

Crime creates fear, fear creates the need for protection, the need for protection makes the serf glad to accept the yoke of the master. This is older then Sumer.

 

The Bible gives people hope and the right to arms gives security.

 

Together they keep people free and politically equal, free men not cringing serfs, pulling their forelock and stepping into the gutter when their "betters" stroll by

 

This political equally is why would be milords hate God and guns.

 

karl

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you know what...i've kept quiet all a long, but tonight i've had a few too many miller lites and i feel the need to let it go. I'm a proud Democrat!!!! and i think that really if you get down to it, there isn't crap seprating us form one another...we've all changed from what we have once stood for nobody stands for what they once did....the republicans for the business and the democrats for the workin man...they've flip floped. There isn't crap diffrance between us, i've heard so many people diss dems and i'm like wtf, don't you realize ur calling me a no good cuz i'm a dem? really if you want my opionion...(which most dont)...you have to be a no good s.o.b to get where they've been. Reallly thers no diffrence between the two parties and i'll say this...i'm ashamed of my options this year, and i'm votion for McCain.. hes the least of the two evils.lol. well u all take care and don't worry...i'm makin a better chioce.lol

brenden

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Well...your friends in the Democratic party aren't exactly giving us much to work with ya know? Maybe if they could come up with something better than "I'm not Bush" and "Its the Republicans' fault", maybe they'd get better press. Reckon?

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Jason i agree with you on there not much and as i stated before neighter Hill or Goof ball will get my vote. But you look at it like this, every canidate is saying "i'm not Bush", republican and democrat. Does McCain agree right with Bush? No. Does he make it clear that hes not on the same page as bush on some topics? Yes. As far as saying its the Republicans fault, well, let them think what they want. I sway not a bit towards believing that, but also the Republicans have said for years its the Dem's fault <_<

Brenden

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brenden, i know what you're saying. it doesnt matter if you're republican or democrat. it's your actions that matter. unfortunately, the actions of ALL the available candidates are lacking, in my opinion. we all have different views and opinions, so having the different branches of the government watch each other to make sure is good. what i'm NOT crazy about is the electoral college. why would it be so tough to the candidate that gets the most votes from the public be the winner? from my understanding, the electoral college was devised when the US was sparsely populated and communication was not instant like today.

 

i look at it like i do the race issue in the world. i dont care what color your skin is, i only care about how you present yourself and your actions. i am an equal opportunity hater! and i'm not happy with ANY of the candidates this year. if there was a democrat candidate that showed they would uphold the things i support, i'd vote for them.

 

dangit... getting sidetracked and ticked...

 

i hate the state of politics in the us. it shouldnt be vote for the lesser evil. but how do we get the good, honest people to have a chance against the mega-money, old guard politicians? shouldn't those senators be doing their jobs in the senate instead of campaigning? URRG!

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I have alot of democratic friends(most are hillary supporters) who have made it clear to me who they will vote for in an Obama VS McCain, they absolutely will not support obama as he is way to radical, hillary isnt as bad as obama once you think about it, it is just the press is making her look bad and making obama look like some kind of bipartisan leader, but I have yet to find any instance in which he showed bi partisan leadership. I dont like hillary or obama, but I urge every republican to vote for hillary in the primarys to cause some mischeif and to keep obomba out of office.

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Brenden,

I agree with you that there is no significant difference between the two parties. I have said before that the only difference is whether we are on the road to socialism at 90MPH or 65MPH.

However, I would like to draw your attention to one thing: The party line vote. This is how our politicians push something so despicable down our throats that we would revolt if they all did it. An example would be the gun control laws passed that banned 11 round magazines. When was that? 92? I remember the vote. Every single Democratic voted for it. Not one single one stood up to their party. It cost them the majority in Congress, but they did it anyway. Now, think of other issues and think of what the Democratic party line is versus the Republican party line, if it came down to a party line vote again. So, if you vote for that Dem, and when it really, really counts, you are screwing all of us out of our gun rights (and others).

 

Dr.Hess

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Just because i'm a democrat, i don't alwasy vote democrat. I want the best for me, us, who ever. Theres good and bad in all of them, and i've always felt that everyone that holds an office, dem or rep, there a no good skunk.They've lied, cheated, stole, and embellesled there way to the top. As far as gun rights, well i look at it like such. It doesn't matter if your an dem, rep, or an independent, its out of our hands fellows. we can't do a thing to really protect our gun rights. I've seen dems vote against guns and i've seen the republicans vote against. It doesn't matter about the party line, we put these no good skunks in there, its our own fault. But i mean not to piss-off by saying this, really its our faul and then again its not. Our blue collar men and women in office, promise one thing and talk out both sides of their mouths so we really don't know what were getting. If i want to vote dem, i'll vote dem, and i won't be screwing anybody out of gun rights, because i consider such effects. Really, gun rights are doomed any way (which i'm scared to death to admit too because i love my guns) i'm more worried about how i'm going to take care of my family and if i'm going to have a job/benifits/retirement to look foward to, or am i going to be bent over a barrel. We had better appericate what we have now fellows, its going to get alot worse. If i have kids, i'm going to feel sorry for them. They'll prob never get to expierence what i did growing up, the shooting birds out of the bird box, driving down the road with a 243 on you 4 wheeler shooting groundhogs, this is it, the end right here. Its sad to see such change, all i can hope for is that McCain gets it. Am i happy with McCain 100%, no...But i do despise Obomba, and they dyke Hill 100%. I figure McCain will protect our gun rights, hes protected the country and gave up his body for us, so I believe hes got a better head on his shoulders than the other two jack offs. All i know is this, its a crap shoot and its anybodys game, except Obomba, hes too busy saying that small town people are pissed and clinging to guns and religion. :rolleyes:

 

Brenden

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i encourage you guys to look at the IRA-NRA website about the democrat debate and what hill and osama said about gun control (or, i should say, DIDN'T say!)

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Brenden, I appreciate your thoughts, but our gun rights are not gone, and they don't have to be. Only if good men fail to stand up.

 

The fight has gone on a long long time, much more than all of your birthdays and it will go on much longer.

 

But we have stood our ground and won losses back. We will continue the fight.

 

Don't give up, don't be fooled by liars and study which of the undesireables has lied to us the least and listen to those who have been in the trenches fighting the fight, and - most of all - put your money where your mouth is.

 

This thing ain't over. Far from it.

 

Brad

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Brenden, I appreciate your thoughts, but our gun rights are not gone, and they don't have to be. Only if good men fail to stand up.

 

The fight has gone on a long long time, much more than all of your birthdays and it will go on much longer.

 

But we have stood our ground and won losses back. We will continue the fight.

 

Don't give up, don't be fooled by liars and study which of the undesireables has lied to us the least and listen to those who have been in the trenches fighting the fight, and - most of all - put your money where your mouth is.

 

This thing ain't over. Far from it.

 

Brad

 

IF good men fail to stand up. Thats the problem, finding a few good men. I'll fight to the day i die to protect my firearms, but i'm just saying i've got a bad feeling about where our guns will end up in the future. Look at Austrailia for example, wow now that is a mess. all we can do is pray and vote accordingly.

Brenden

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alright, gut check time guys. the MAN shows up at your door (or more realistically, SEVERAL men show up at your door). they say surrender your weapons. you say F-off. they say surrender your weapons NOW. so....

 

1. you slam the door. they "open" the door. you are taken to jail and they take your guns anyway.

 

2. you surrender your guns rather than go to jail.

 

3. you slam the door and retrieve one of your weapons and attempt to give the ammo back first. you are shot and killed. they take your guns from your cold, dead hands.

 

4. you hide your guns so when they knock on the door, you say you dont have them. if they find you're lying, you go to jail and they take your guns. they have a warrant, and can to what it takes to find your guns, include remove sheetrock.

 

so... what do YOU do? i'm trying to figure it out. do i hide my guns off site? when the MAN comes looking for your leagally registered guns, what DO you do? be honest...

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alright, gut check time guys. the MAN shows up at your door (or more realistically, SEVERAL men show up at your door). they say surrender your weapons. you say F-off. they say surrender your weapons NOW. so....

 

1. you slam the door. they "open" the door. you are taken to jail and they take your guns anyway.

 

2. you surrender your guns rather than go to jail.

 

3. you slam the door and retrieve one of your weapons and attempt to give the ammo back first. you are shot and killed. they take your guns from your cold, dead hands.

 

4. you hide your guns so when they knock on the door, you say you dont have them. if they find you're lying, you go to jail and they take your guns. they have a warrant, and can to what it takes to find your guns, include remove sheetrock.

 

so... what do YOU do? i'm trying to figure it out. do i hide my guns off site? when the MAN comes looking for your leagally registered guns, what DO you do? be honest...

 

I like number 4.

 

But just think about all the police men who are pro gun, they would be tossing away their badges if something like this happened, this country would turn into hell.

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cong-viet..no guns...guns number 10.

 

Karl

 

The Cong and the IRA hid theirs well enough.

 

You know I was told by an old German fella that the reason the SS never finished rounding up the hill people in Macedonia was that the first SS mann through door was always met at least a pitchfork or a cordon of hot water or a charge of shot in the face. "Those savages were just too wild to deal with. Easier to arrest civilized folks who would report when they were told to report".

 

 

 

karl

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724,

 

No, we fight the fight here and now and on our terms when possible, and take it to them when we can, and not let it get to the "Nazi at your door" situation.

 

They've been beat back, although, like all Socialists, they never go away. The American public is starting to think that the Socialist gun control schemes aren't so hot and they are listening to us.

 

As good men and women, we stand up and speak our piece (and peace) fearlessly. We support those on the front lines fighting the fight and we put our money up to support them.

 

This fight isn't just about the Second Amendment. Lord I wish it was. It's about all of our fundamental freedoms. We don't have to do Waco or Ruby Ridge, we can just stand strong here and now and never get to that point again!

 

Brad

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