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I suggest you read up on just how Spain made the long transitional road from 7mm bolt guns, to select fire 30 cal. battle rifles with HK also in the mix. With 8mm rifles in the mix from bolt to auto. One can never rightly say that "CETME didn't enter into it". Once the entire story is told. Based solely on bad info in a "User Manual". Printed by [Spanish Rural Police]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_CETME A previous thread from another forum listed on google under CETME searches. you might find interesting. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=984098 Which has this link which differss slightly from the other wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_CETME What the Spanish Internal agencies called NATO Cartridges were not up to ACTUAL NATO PRESSURE SPECS. Some of which confusion is discussed in the above CalGuns thread.
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If your other m95 happens to be on of the flat bottom Loewes, especially if it is an unmolested original carbine. You have a valuable collector piece. As to the "Turk-Spain" sentence I struck in last post. Spain was the chicken. NOT THE TURKS. According to this well vetted and researched site, https://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx . Which I dug back out of ARCHIVES on the 'new" Mausercentral.net site. http://mausercentral.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49 I'm operating here from memory. Almost 2 decades ago, I spent 5 yrs, researching and compiling well vetted and confirmed info files, on just the Spanish 93, and later variations, and arsenal reworks of same. Due to the need of debunking, all the afore mentioned misinformation that had been disseminated by less than honest importers. Which I uploaded onto the original Mauser central site. For public view and safekeeping. WHICH WAS LOST, when the MC domain was ripped off in 2016. And then my old computer crashed and died shortly there after. So those files are gone. And a lot of the websites from that time are now just dead holes.
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Congrats Karl, and yer Hippy Gal. Yep, Marriage is always a WORK IN PROGRESS. My little lady and me. We been working at it since Sept of 1969. https://youtu.be/eFjjO_lhf9c A LABOR OF LOVE IS A JOB YOU DON'T QUIT.
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Doc; Yes when mentioning "flat bottom bolt faces" we are talking about the same thing. Very early Turk/Chilean, 93s made by Loewe, Also had this feature. Along with the same "guide rail" along the LH bolt race. Turks predated Spain. But Chilean 95s were only produced by Loewe for 1 1/2 yrs, up to and during, the DWM merge. DURING the merge transition period. Some round receivers were marked as Loewe. ... Swedes were made in the Oberndorf German Armory, and in Sweden. And never had flat bottom faces. But I'm trying to stick with the Spanish 93s, because in and of themselves, are confusing enough. Especially since Spain kept, and reworked, the same early Loewe 93s for 70 yrs. from 1893 into the late 1950s, into early 1960s, with the last reincarnation into FR-7s. Some of which also have flat bottom bolts. Another quick note on the Chilean 95, If you check the right rear of your 95 receiver. It LIKELY has a BUMP behind the bolt handle recess. Acting as a safety feature if the bolt lugs failed. If it is one of the much rarer flat bottoms. It would not have the bolt catching safety bump. ETA >>>> I struck the "Turks-Spain" comment. But left it in. Because going from memory, I'm not 100% sure it is correct. I know that both Turkey and Spain were shopping the experimental Md 92 under development at Loewe during that time. But am not sure which was chicken or egg.
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I'am sorry sir. But you are laboring under the weight, of much intentionally disseminated misinformation, on many aspects of the historical facts. Concerning the decades long transition of original 7x57 1893s. Along with some "consensus". That was fueled by the same unscrupulous importers, and heavy advertisers, in various Gun MAGAZINES back then. Which BTW went totally against what CETME determined to be SAFE from an engineering standpoint. [1] .... Only Loewe made 93 and 95 receivers, that had flat bottom bolts. With DWM only utilizing remaining "in stock" receivers after merger. 95s mentioned are Spanish m95s, which are the very rare full stocked Spanish cavalry carbines. Not the m95 Chilean rifles and carbines. Which have a slight difference to the receiver from 93s. Which were also made by Loewe then DWM. Loewe only made 93s between Dec of 1893 and mid 1896. 2 1/2 yrs. When Loewe ceased to exist. Due to them merging their rifle and ammunition companies under the name DWM. The LAST flat bottom bolt receivers were gone by the end of 1896 or early 1897. So no, not all 1916s have flat bottom bolts. Actually only a relatively small percentage of 93s and 1916s do. Considering the long run of original 1916s made by the various Spanish armories under license. Which have notoriously soft receivers due to known poor metallurgy and heat treatment shortcuts. And the 20 yr. manufacturing span between end 1896 when DWM ran out of in stock Loewe receivers, til 1916 and beyond. [2] .... Yes, they all have magazine releases. But ONLY very early Loewe 93 rifles, had the "PUSH BUTTON" HINGED FLOOR PLATES. Like this. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1044300 . With the button on the right side of the trigger guard. [3] .... And beyond. to be continued. Please measure the shoulder ring of the 1916-7.62 CETME barrel. It is a relevant factor to the discussion. I don't know what 308 barrel you have in your hand. Can't see that far. Cheers
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IDK, it is definitely in the GUN TECH forum. Mod on that one is Mike-Z1r
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Doc; 7x57, - 7.62 CETME - 7.62 NATO - 308 Win, all have severe differences in the parameters of the pressure design of the various firearms chambered in the DIFFERENT rounds. I will comment on actual pressure differences in another post. None of the 1916s started life as 7.62 CETMES. Most dated back to original 1893 models. With a designation to 1916 in that year, when they modified their old rifles to standardize with the newer mods. In 1916 they cut the left rail slot for easier loading stripper clips, Changed frnt and rear sights for trajectory changes in 7mm ammo, and drilled the gas port in left side of receiver ring. Blocking mags and shortening followers/springs. Bob the Nailer posted a very comprehensive tutorial over on Mausercentral.net Gunsmith/Tech forum, covering the entire process. With pics and dimensions. Might give it a look. When you get both of the 16s out of the wood. Please measure from the receiver front, to the end of the raised ring of the barrel that acts as the shoulder. They should both be right at .200". Do either of the 1916s have flat bottom bolt faces, or push button floor plate releases? Both are desirable features on these. The push button floor plate bottom metal is worth more than you paid for either rifle. .
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Post current needs or shortages and let us know what is needed. I will help all I can. Just like last time.
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Who is pulling the plug, and why? Did the Flatulant Fowl run out of gas? I drop in about once a week to see what's up. And I miss many long ago posters that are MIA. Like Z1r aka Mike, etc. But slow doesn't mean dead. So why give up? What about the reamer co-op, can't find anything current on it. I'm sure there are many like me who don't hang around the campfire but still consider this a 2nd home. My PM skills suck turds. Like all of my outer skills. Someone [Tony] please Email me and let me know whats up.
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Close but not quite. FREON is a halocarbon gas, it is not inert. Even though odorless, colorless, and non flammable. It is much lighter than air and disperses quickly. Yet it is reactive. If it comes in contact with an open flame, it immediately turns into "phosgene", which is also odorless, but much heavier than air. Which is scary and lethal. Even in an open air environment. Which made it a perfect WWII Chemical Weapon. Back in basic refrigeration classes, we were taught to always check for any possible flame sources before opening up a system.
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Glad to have been of assistance Mr Flatulant Fowl. Keep on herding cats.
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That will change to $103 ahead when the check I mailed Monday arrives.
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Tony, I will cover that. I'm still doing battle with PayPal. I have your address, check will be in the mail tomorrow AM.
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And since those same individuals are the same ones that don't follow any laws. Shows exactly how disingenuous the liars on the left are. When they claim they want to protect citizens from crime by disarming the law abiding. Truth is, that because these same moral deficient, and conscience lacking TURDS are allowed to thrive in todays entitlement society. That is the very reason that the law abiding should be armed. To quote Sir Robert Peel; JM2c
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Oh Flatulent Fowl, I think I sent you a PM. I tried anyway. Let me know if ya got it. Like 10 Ring haven't posted in ages but lurk often.