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It's considered radical and a "militia" group, although on its face it doesn't appear to be. As a group, it has shown up armed and ready to confront at protests. Looking from the outside-in, it appears a recipe for disaster.

 

I like the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars organizations; regrettably, they are great organizations in declining membership.

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I've only met one, he was a bit weird and died in a house fire. He wouldn't have a phone inside his home because he thought the govt was listening even when hung up. His phone was outside on his patio. He taped his windows because he claimed the govt could use technology to read vibrations on glass and hear what is going on inside. Metal window bars prevented him and his wife to escape the fire. Despite his peculiarities he was like a walking-talking encyclopedia on guns and militaria. He could tell you about different gas piston designs on a FN-49 rifle or the cubic inches of an Army 10-wheeler's engine.

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Sucks that he died like that, Az. However, the technologies he was referring to are 30 or 40 years old. One of the Popular Science or Popular something or other magazines even had an article on how to build your own laser window tap from a scrapped copy machine and a rifle scope, and that was in the 80's. The embasies all put little speaker nodes on their windows and played classical music so that when the Russians would aim a laser at the window, all they got was music. The phone (land line) thing was also quite well known by the 80's. Now, not saying that they were actually employing those against him, but the technology was old. Today, they just use your computer and cell phone directly if they want to look at you. Cameras in the devices too. Hell, even school districts do it with the cameras in the laptops they send home with the kids. They get caught at it occasionally.

 

I think that organization is good for our society. What I have read of them shows them to be people willing to stand up for our Constitution. I also think that puts them at real close to the top on the fed's enemies list, because following the rule of law is the last thing our government wants to do. I am also sure they have been infiltrated, as all of those types of organizations are.

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I am also sure they have been infiltrated, as all of those types of organizations are.

I've heard of the technologies but this guy was convinced he as well as other members of our gun collectors club were being spied upon for simply owning multiple or military type guns.

 

I was acquainted with some co-workers that wanted to start a militia. At the time mail carriers were being shot at and assaulted on the streets. A few were shot or seriously assaulted because a meth addict feared the govt uniform. The group felt USPS mgmt wasn't doing enough to protect them while alone on the street.

 

They told me about one member that was the most out spoken and often suggested activities going over or near the legal / illegal line. After the group disbanded it was discovered the trouble maker was an infiltrator.

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Yeah, that's usually the case. The one that is trying to get the group to do illegal stuff is the government agent. As I've mentioned before, even little bumfuq Washington County (Arkansas) Militia which had about 8 "members" had at least one federal informant. Far as I know, the leader is still in prison.

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Yeah, that's usually the case. The one that is trying to get the group to do illegal stuff is the government agent. As I've mentioned before, even little bumfuq Washington County (Arkansas) Militia which had about 8 "members" had at least one federal informant. Far as I know, the leader is still in prison.

That was a tactic of the Commies and Nazis as well. The loudest one is usually the spy.

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Informers or Agent Provocateur.

I was at the range in cali a few year ago, two guys, 40ish but in very good shape drive up together. Now instead of getting tables next to each other, one goes to one side of the range and one the other. I was shooting an SKS and the guy, see the USMC decals on my kit, comes over friendly like and tells what great shot I am and that I must be a sniper...I am NOT that good a shot and I know it, then he starts asking me about sears and if I have any..wants to exchange addresses or e-mails. Told him FA sears were illegal ...gave him a phony E-mail.

 

As to oath keepers it seems like a good group to me.

 

By the way that is why I build my own computer, nothing in them I dont want in them.. The mike and cam are all detached usb..I plug them in IF I need them and unplug them when I am done

karl

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Years ago at Arizona gun shows was a Baptist Preacher and his side kick selling silencer kits. Both were also selling AR-15 auto sears and conversion kits. One would set up a table selling silencer tubes the other selling the innards. When asked about the legality both would respond with things like "we don't live in Russia", "are you a commie". The side kick used to hand out for free, mini constitution pamphlets while making disparaging remarks about Pres Carter and the fed govt.

 

Turned out the preacher's side kick was an under cover ATF Agent. The preacher after skipping town was featured on America's Most Wanted. Friend of mine that at the time worked for the Justice Dept told me. Several members of the preacher's Tucson congregation were doing time in fed prisons. Most were convicted of trivial firearm offences but the judge insisted on prison time. Some only served 90 days. One guy had a shotgun barrel just a small fraction of an inch to short on one side. The cut was slightly tapered. He was forced to cop a plea deal, agree to testify against preacher or other church members or spend tens of thousands in legal fees.

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Yeah, that's what they were trying to do with Randy Weaver. An "informer" brought him a shotgun to cut down for his side gunsmithing business. The informer insisted on exactly where he wanted the cuts made. Weaver did it and it was something like 1/8" short. They arrested him and told him they would drop the charges if he went to some meetings (I forget which, the big names at the time, posse comitatus, klan or whatever) and snitched off the members. He refused. They scheduled a court date without telling him, then put out an arrest warrant on him when he didn't show up. Then they basically killed his family.

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I remember the Randy Weaver situation well. Working as I did for the fed government I know managers are scored by numbers. My guess ATF mgrs are probably scored by the number of arrests and convictions vs what they are supposed to be doing, collecting taxes. A manager wanting to have better numbers than the person he replaced. Will be rewarded with a higher budget and more employees. More employees, the higher the mgr's level and pay.

 

Not having enough bad guys to raise a mgr's numbers. The alternative is to create bad guys. I remember well the two ATF agencies from different districts. One posing as an illegal buyer the other as an illegal seller. Trying to arrest each other at a Midwestern gun show. Despite all the misdeeds during the Carter era none of the mgrs. were ever terminated or disciplined.

 

If what I recall from the Weaver deal. The FBI sniper that shot Weaver's wife while she stood in a doorway holding a baby. Has an outstanding state warrant and possibly an indictment. Seems I recall reading, if he enters the state he can be arrested. I understand a cop has to do his job but how could somebody shoot an unarmed woman and sleep nights.

 

Federal employees are protected by law. Refusing to follow an order to do something illegal. It was enacted after the Watergate fiasco. I used it to protect postal workers ordered to illegally park, delay traffic, alter time clock rings etc. Any mgr retaliating against an employee for refusing to do something illegal. Opens themselves up to a lawsuit the govt wont or can't protect them from.

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AZ, you've seen a lot of crud in your day.

Now who's the informant! Fess up!

Something still bugs me. I won't mention names, but remember the guy who used to post pictures of Nazi soldiers, and defend Naziism? He left. That bugged me a lot. I even visited his home.

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They are out here on the webz too. You don't have to even look very hard. News reports in the main stream media show them all the time. Big targets right now are the sand monkeys. Virtually every single "terrorist" arrest in the US is something that was set up by a fed. The dumb f's don't realize they are talking to a fed, not another muzzie, and that the stuff they are buying is fake. Most of the so-called right wing terrorists arrested are caught the same way. That guy on the forum screaming the loudest about the feds and suggesting illegal activities is likely a plant on the net, just like the one at the "militia" meeting.

 

Two ATF agent trying to arrest each other. That's funny. Like on Get Smart: Every spy agency in the world infiltrated a super terrorist organization with an agent. All the real bad guys were dead and all that was left was the spy agents, still doing bad stuff because they thought each other were the bad guys.

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AZ, you've seen a lot of crud in your day.

Now who's the informant! Fess up!

Something still bugs me. I won't mention names, but remember the guy who used to post pictures of Nazi soldiers, and defend Naziism? He left. That bugged me a lot. I even visited his home.

I remember him but don't recall his name. I recall some of his posts claiming the current global economy would be better if Hitler had prevailed. About that time we had a woman, Emalee or something similar was her handle. She was a regular that often verbally sparred with Fritz over politics. She claimed to be a native Indian and a practicing Jew. If I recall correctly, feeling like Emalee was egging the Nazi sympathizer on. Other than a single anti semantic post from an unknown user I don't recall any verbal battles.

 

Seems like in the early days we had more online battles over the safety of Springfield and Mausers to handle modern mag cartridges. We had some real talent, Z1R comes to mind that were often challenged by a blow hard dim-wit. Like arguing with a lib, when they can't dispute facts they often resort to name calling and insults. The so-called Springfield glass bolt, low number Springfields and even the best cartridge created some disputes that got a bit ugly.

 

I'm sure we've probably had a rat or at least a g-man watching our board. Being that there is little or no deals being struck. The Feds have bigger fish to fry. In 1999 my internet activity was looked at by Postal Inspectors. I was making a killing on Ebay selling used flea market Coleman Lanterns to Y2K doomsdayers. I made the mistake of going into the bank a few times with a pile of USPS money orders in uniform. I aroused suspicion because my former step-brother, a postal worker. Was arrested, convicted and did time for printing up and stealing USPS money orders. In less than a 6-month period he blew over 100 G's at the horse track. During my interview I saw some printouts of my online activity in a folder. It was long before I started here and at the time I was using WebTV to cruise the net.

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Just because someone is a bit paranoid. Doesn't mean someone isn't out to get them. Mr Wheeler of Ruby Ridge Idaho wasn't quite paranoid enough, was he.

 

On the flip side is the LibTurd and BSM [bias stream media] ploy of creating slanted views in the general public through "LABELING".

 

OathKeepers, Minutemen [along the border], hell even the Tea Party are labeled as Hate Groups, Militia, Dissidents, etc.

 

How about "assault rifles" and "saturdaynight specials"?

 

The Mnutemen are armed along the border for strictly defensive reasons. There have been {0} instances of Minutemen opening fire on the poor WETBACKS that are invading our country. If helps promote sympathy by the BSM to Label Minutemen as an evil Armed Militia. What they actually do is simply "Spot and Report". No confrontations with Wetbaks at all.

 

I consider all the Sheriffs across this nation that told King O-hole of DC to pack sand, Oathkeepers. They would not begin to enforce any further Anti 2A Fed laws. County Sheriffs are elected by their local citizens. In rural America, the sheriffs care more for what their constituants think of them than a Turd in DC. or even the State Capitol. Metro area Chiefs of Police and Sheriffs are nothing but Butt Puppet Political pawns.

 

All the stupid made up Racial Slurs that Pukelosi and the Black Congressional Caucus claimed the Evil Tea Partiers threw at them on the capital steps. So they could then claim Tea Partiers are Racist. All of course unsubstantiated by the DC cops, Secret Service, and the actual news footage of the event. The Tea Party is made up of "CONSTITUTIONALISTS". THAT'S WHAT THE LIBTURDS ACTUALLY FIND OFFENSIVE.

 

The Black Panthers actually started as a Peacefull Los Angeles Community Outreach Org. . That was before the LAPD and FBI discovered they could use them as pawns for a massive influx of Anti Crime Dollars.

 

The LABELLING LIST goes on and on. Don't believe what you see on the Idiot Box or read in Bias Newspapers. Most of which are controlled by the LibTurd likes of Geo Soros.

 

JM2c

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