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Shank Length On Turk 1903


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Ok gents so I havent been here in ages but what have you guys been seeing for the barrel shank length on the 1903 turk small ring barrels that had the ring cut out for handguards that your removing , I got a 1891 argentine barrel I may use on one. thanks aaron

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Ok gents so I havent been here in ages but what have you guys been seeing for the barrel shank length on the 1903 turk small ring barrels that had the ring cut out for handguards that your removing , I got a 1891 argentine barrel I may use on one. thanks aaron

 

 

Sorry Dude, ya gotta measure your reciever/bolt and cut/thread the shank to fit. No telling how much was removed to true front ring when hand guard ridge was removed.

 

JM2c

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Sorry Dude, ya gotta measure your reciever/bolt and cut/thread the shank to fit. No telling how much was removed to true front ring when hand guard ridge was removed.

 

JM2c

handguard ring hasnt been removed yet to true it up I was asking how long the barrel shanks you guys have been taking off were averaging before the ring was trued but I got my answer thanks tinker

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Were it me, I'd want to match the depth from the depth of the receiver face to the bolt face on either a Swede or Spanish Mauser.

 

On the Turk, aren't there two diameters? There's the handguard extension face, and there's an inner face, no? My understanding was that the Turks were set up to take small ring barrels; that inner face should be spot-on.

 

DeHass lists the shank length for 93-96 Mausers as 0.645". 98 Mausers are listed as 0.625".

 

Your 91 barrel is listed as 0.715", so for any action from 93 to 98, you'll need to trim some off the barrel, or use a spacer or shim.

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Were it me, I'd want to match the depth from the depth of the receiver face to the bolt face on either a Swede or Spanish Mauser.

 

On the Turk, aren't there two diameters? There's the handguard extension face, and there's an inner face, no? My understanding was that the Turks were set up to take small ring barrels; that inner face should be spot-on.

 

DeHass lists the shank length for 93-96 Mausers as 0.645". 98 Mausers are listed as 0.625".

 

Your 91 barrel is listed as 0.715", so for any action from 93 to 98, you'll need to trim some off the barrel, or use a spacer or shim.

Yes I planned on using a shim if I have too I was under the impression that the original shank on the 1903 turk before the turks converted them to 8mm and bored them out to hold the handguard and 1909 peruvian were longer than normal do to the longer front ring. Didnt the peruvian 1909 use small shank barrels too ? aaron10

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I've never played with a Turk. My limited understanding was that the Turks set up the 98s to use small ring barrels. If that's the case, then that inner shoulder should be correct.

 

You can set up the Turk 98 to match a standard 98 (measured from the receiver face to the inner torque shoulder), or you can set it up to handle a small ring barrel. The difference is 0.020". I'm guessing that 98 Turks set the barrel on the receiver face, not the inner torque shoulder. I don't know if that's a fact though.

 

I'd want to determine the distance from the receiver face to the bolt face for the 91, then compare it to that of the Turk; that really will determine the need for that shim. If you need the shim, you have a neat way of adjusting headspace.

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Yes I planned on using a shim if I have too I was under the impression that the original shank on the 1903 turk before the turks converted them to 8mm and bored them out to hold the handguard and 1909 peruvian were longer than normal do to the longer front ring. Didnt the peruvian 1909 use small shank barrels too ? aaron10

 

Aaron,

The 1903 is a wierd one, and was built with the hand guard extention on it. When the Turks rechambered to 8mm, they just notched the rear of the ring. Even if you machine the handguard off, the 1903 ring will be a little long than a standard ring.(while using an intermeadiate length bolt!)

 

I have not personally examined one but I understand the Peruvian 1909 is the same as a k-kale.

 

As we can see from this thread and others, there was (and still is) a lot off confusion regarding the different Turkish mauser rifles, so in 1938 the Turks began a program to remodel all their rifles to resemble the 1903 model.

The K-kale was built in Turkey with the handguard extention included, same as the 1903.

All others were "TURKED", this means that on the various 98's the front of the receivers were counterbored to create the "lip". The 93'S were threaded on the out side of the ring and a lip was screwed on.

In the 1950's another bunch of 98's were "TURKED". these are marked "ATF 54"

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1903

Again, the Ottomans kept pace with the German army and ordered new rifles in the pattern of the Gew. 98. These were chambered for 7.65x53 and had a few other changes that kept the rifles similar to their previous purchases. These are intermediate length actions and a bit shorter than the standard 7.92, 98 action. This is a large ring small shank (LRSSM) rifle.

 

From here.

 

 

http://www.turkmauser.com/models.aspx

 

Yes, SR diameter shank but fitted to an inner torgue ring like the LR. Because it is a GEW-98 made to Turk specs.

 

Turks of the day were the ultimate military rifle scroungers and their plethora of model #'s and modifications in an effort to standardize is a real pain to keep track of.

 

JM2c

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