Thanks AKSHOOTER for the reply , even if it's not the what I wanted to hear , my job has me tied down so much I don't have time to do much and the wife says I hardly talk to her so 4 or 5 evenings in my shop to do the work will really set her off, but I guess thats the way life goes , well I'd better get to the shop and assemble a pistol for a friend before she gets back from the store thanks agian and have a good day jrhweldon