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That funnel at the breech end of the barrel is the forcing cone all revolvers have it. Swamprat

Any of you law dogs know this? Are there any midgets in prison? If so do they get half rations? Swamprat

Jerry, Here is the story. WWII P38 Found in Wales -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WWII Fighter Plane Discovered on Beach By RICHARD PYLE,AP Posted: 2007-11-14 19:09:09 Filed Under: Nation News, World News NEW YORK (Nov. 14) - Sixty-five years after an American P-38 fighter plane ran out of gas and crash-landed on a beach in Wales, the long-forgotten World War II relic has emerged from the surf and sand where it lay buried. Beach strollers, sunbathers and swimmers often frolicked within a few yards of the aircraft, unaware of its existence until last summer, when unusual weather caused the sand to shift and erode. Photo Gallery: Buried for 65 Years TIGHAR / AP An American P-38 fighter plane was found on a Welsh beach in July after unusual weather caused the sand on top of it to shift and erode. A fuel problem forced the aircraft to make an emergency landing in 1942. 1 of 3 The revelation of the Lockheed "Lightning" fighter, with its distinctive twin-boom design, has stirred interest in British aviation circles and among officials of the country's aircraft museums, ready to reclaim another artifact from history's greatest armed conflict. Based on its serial number and other records, "the fighter is arguably the oldest P-38 in existence, and the oldest surviving 8th Air Force combat aircraft of any type," said Ric Gillespie, who heads a U.S.-based nonprofit group dedicated to preserving historic aircraft. "In that respect it's a major find, of exceptional interest to British and American aviation historians." Gillespie finds romance as well as historic significance in the discovery of the aircraft, long forgotten by the U.S. government. "It's sort of like 'Brigadoon,' the mythical Scottish village that appears and disappears," he said. "Although the Welsh aren't too happy about that analogy - they have some famous legends of their own." Gillespie's organization, the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery, learned of the plane's existence in September from a British air history enthusiast and sent a team to survey the site last month. The group plans to collaborate with British museum experts in recovering the fragile but nearly intact aircraft next spring. The Imperial War Museum Duxford and the Royal Air Force Museum are among the institutions expressing interest. "The difficult part is to keep such a dramatic discovery secret. Looting of historic wrecks, aircraft or ships, is a major problem, in Britain as it is worldwide," Gillespie said. British aviation publications have been circumspect about disclosing the exact location, and local Welsh authorities have agreed to keep the plane under surveillance whenever it is exposed by the tides of the Irish Sea, he said. For now, the aircraft is again buried under sand. Officially, the U.S. Air Force considers any aircraft lost before Nov. 19, 1961 - when a fire destroyed many records - as "formally abandoned," and has an interest in such cases only if human remains are involved. The twin-engine P-38, a radical design conceived by Lockheed design genius Clarence "Kelly" Johnson in the late 1930s, became one of the war's most successful fighter planes, serving in Europe and the Pacific. About 10,000 of the planes were built, and about 32 complete or partial airframes are believed to still exist, perhaps 10 in flying condition. Another P-38, part of a "lost squadron" of warplanes marooned by bad weather in Greenland while being flown to Europe in 1942, was recovered and extensively restored with new parts. Dubbed "Glacier Girl," its attempt to complete the flight to Britain earlier this year was thwarted by mechanical problems. The Wales Lightning, built in 1941, reached Britain in early 1942 and flew combat missions along the Dutch-Belgian coast. Second Lt. Robert F. "Fred" Elliott, 24, of Rich Square, N.C., was on a gunnery practice mission on Sept. 27, 1942, when a fuel supply error forced him to make an emergency landing on the nearest suitable place - the Welsh beach. His belly landing in shallow water sheared off a wingtip, but Elliott escaped unhurt. Less than three months later, the veteran of more than 10 combat missions was shot down over Tunisia, in North Africa. His plane and body were never found. As the disabled P-38 could not be flown off the beach, "American officers had the guns removed, and the records say the aircraft was salvaged, but it wasn't," Gillespie said. "It was gradually covered with sand, and there it sat for 65 years. With censorship in force and British beaches closed to the public during the war, nobody knew it was there." It was first spotted by a family enjoying a day at the beach on July 31. The discovery was stunning news for Robert Elliott, 64, of Blountville, Tenn., the pilot's nephew and only surviving relative. He has spent nearly 30 years trying to learn more about his namesake's career and death. All he knew of the Wales incident was a one-line entry saying Elliott had "ditched a P-38 and was uninjured." "So this is just a monumental discovery, and a very emotional thing," said Elliott, an engineering consultant. He said he hopes to be present for the recovery. Swamprat

Considering what we do shouldn't it be beating plowshares into swords? Or how about? Giving Bill Ulcers Since Day One. Swamprat

The stock Nagant revolver cylinder will take 32 H&R magnum. Were did you see the 32 cylinders advertised? Swamprat

Sure can. Swamprat

WRITTEN BY A 15 yr. old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer are not allowed in most public schools anymore Because the word "God" is mentioned.... A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer : Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take! Amen Say's it all! Swamprat

I wonder how the wife would like a trip to Texas? I can explain about the beavers on the way home. Swamprat

The frames may appear to be the same but are they? Different tensil strength for different calibers. This could be done quite easily by adjusting the batch at casting time. Then to avoid over zealist lawyers they mark the frames to keep you from putting a 44 mag together in a 38 frame. Or thats my guess. Having gone to Rugers site I found they have thier own casting dept. they not only cast for themselves but for others. I am know convinced that thier frames are rated different for each caliber. I would not try increasing the pressure in a 38 to a 44 or anything other than 38. Down sizing seems possible as the decreased pressure would insure safe shooting. But just who would want to? Swamprat

Guy's and Girl's, I been married for 40 years and want to take the wife on a nice vacation. We been to Hawaii, the west coast, Florida. Everytime I mention a place to go she say's, "We can spend the money on the house, Kids, Grandkids,etc." This lady has spent 40 years looking after me! Even when we had a vacation when the kids were little she still had the family to look after. She has never spent a day in the last 40 years that was entirely hers. This is what I want to give her. A vacation that is her's. Were would we go? What would we do? Might mention we have; ground transportation, unlimited time, a limited budget of $2,000.00. Where would you take her? Swamprat

Bang away my friend! Swamprat

fritz, Jerry said he was going to wrap the remaining trees to prevent further damage. I didn't say to not kill the beaver. I said wait for trapping season which is just a few days off. Then the hides are worth something. The only money he is going to see from the destruction is from the pelts cause I'll bet you ten the state won't do anything to help out. Beaver furs around here are worth some good bucks. As a side note. Don't shoot them in the water! They sink like a rock and you lose the fur. Swamprat

Tony, Just how is it having guns on the island? Must not be good with all the retired Kali folk there. Swamprat

Gone a little "Island Happy" have we? Swamprat

Jerry, It may look like they are randomly destroying trees but what they are doing is cutting down all the stuff they don't eat so what they do will have room to grow. I'd wait for trapping season and harvest them then. Get a little money back from furs to pay for new trees. Swamprat

Boots, If you have a model 1895 caliber 7.62-38r it will fire 32 H&R mag fmj ammo without any changes. The 7.62-38r is a powerful round and the pistol will handle the 32 mag just fine. Swamprat

These are the same folks that raise hell over any new gun control law. Yet try to enforce thier ideas of what I can do with my gun. Makes no since does it? Swamprat

I posted pics in firearm restoration about making a main spring for this little pistol. Here it is with Astra grips. I don't think I'm going to do a reblue. I have spent a lot of time removing the rust from this orphan and really like the well used look it has now. just click the link . http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa245/s...21/IM000816.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa245/s...21/IM000815.jpg All numbers match throuh out the pistol (except for hand made spring). The circle at the rear of reciever in first pic says HOPE. The barrel is marked the same at port opening in slide. This little piece has seen 2 World Wars, Korea, Nam, And all the Sand Wars to date and that is just the US history. Swamprat

I used E-bay for those off the wall parts that the regular suppliers didn't have. My question is what are you folks using now the ANTI-GUNNERS at E-bay showed thier true colors? There are a few parts at Amazon.com but where else? I'm talking the, "un-known model, make, parts lot", type stuff that ran all through the E-bay adds. The good stuff were you could find a real deal and some times a real steal. We can't all be looking for the same stuff so share your wisdom. Not looking for parts suppliers (I have enough of those), but the folks selling stuff they got at auction or from a last will and testiment. The folk's selling Uncle Buck's gunsmithing shop. Swamprat

Well Done! Swamprat

Hope all are PRK folk are doing ok. Anybody needing help I'll do what I can. Swamprat

Guy's the blade didn't break! The piece of wood litterly blew up sending pieces flying everywere. The pieces of wood are what broke the saw. I ran a furniture repair business for years and never had a piece of wood act or react like this did. It was burl walnut from an unfinished butt stock blank. I really think the reason it was never finished was the stock maker found something wrong with the wood. I think I'll just use a bandsaw from now on. Swamprat

I don't know how many of you use recycled gun stock wood for projects but let me tell you! I was attempting to recut an unfinished shotgun stock into grip blanks with a power miter saw. I hit an unknown burl and litterly exploded the saw. This was a Crarftman lazer guide saw, top of the line. The exploding burl busted out a large chunk of metal at the saw dust collecter, busted the plastic insert below the blade and threw high vislosity objects all over the shop. One tool box I have has stainless steel drawer fronts (from a doctors offfice). It has a 1 inch dent in the front. God only knows why the windows or the saw operator were saved. I picked up parts and pieces from 10 ft away (which I am sure bounced off walls) and am still picking up the small pieces. This may be a rare thing but I just wanted to warn the rest of you about unknown wood. Had this been a finished stock I think all would of been fine. Being unfinished (this stock was still a half blank) I think the folks making stocks knew something was wrong so did not finish it. Again this may be rare but for warned is for armed or something like that. Swamprat

I'd take a piece of broken glass and using the edge gently scrape the burnt area its faster than sanding and safer than bleach. You might want to wear gloves but I have found no need to if one is careful. The key word here is gently. Swamprat

Clemson, Nice presentation with great pics. And some real nice work also. Swamprat