Brenden

thanks roscoedoh, I'm just loading for one rifle, i've heard before that neck sizing is a no-no for multiple firearms. I'll still check my length and trim accordingly. I've looked at the lee neck sizers, i own rcbs and lee and perfer the lee's. Do you all crimp when fl sizing, karl mentioned crimp for neck sizing, is it neccessary? I havn't crimped yet and am cabable of 1/2 groups outta my 7mag T/C and havn't had any problems with bullets moving in the clip of my other guns, just wondering if its a good idea to start doing so. Thanks Brenden

What do you all think of the Bold triggers? just wondering. brenden

thanks az, i'll take the knowlege you gave me and apply it to the field Brenden

az, by neck sizing, I've heard this will increase life of a shell, by keeping streching to a minimum. true? also, after a while of neck sizing, is it neccessary to run the fl sizer over it due to case expansion, like if it were getting harder to extract spent cases from chamber? thanks for the info.

hello all, got a q.... What is your alls opinions on full length sizing vs. neck sizing. I'll be shooting the same gun (Bolt action, and single shot t/c) for the ammo i make. I've heard pros and cons of both, but now i want the experts opinion. thanks. Brenden

man i hate it when they gang up on one and make em buy. pricks! thats a good deal, my dealer tried to sell me one for 200 bucks! yeah Prick with a captial P! 32 s/w long....i need some shorts..they got any shorts? brenden

i had a stainless model 60, and had no problems outta it...very accurate gun for a semi. Only thing i hated was tube fed...tubes in my opinion suck. but hey for that price its an good deal on a good quality made tackdriver!

"looking at the 338 balistics, a 215 bullet traveling at 2900fps is good in that cal. put that bullet in a short 308 where you can't stuff 70 + grains of powder, i'd rather throw a bowlin ball at em'.-mauser dude Z1r, i know you won't get 2900 outta the 338 fed with a 210, i was quoting the ballistics of the 338 win. guess i should have been more prescise. I don't need a gun that slow or throwing that big of a bullett for deer, its not pratical. Thats why i'm building the 7mm-08. its all i need. 120 grain hollow points @3000 fps, its a good combo for me. I've got a m48, i know what it can do, all the faith in the world in it. brenden

i agree with spiris on this, vote em out, we all can have an impact on what goes on and who's in power, its up to us! this isn't the land of the free, everything you have you never own, everything you make the damn gov. takes half. (just to provide me with the social security that i'll never have) Just like w/the gay marriage, why give them the same rights as us straight people, we've worked hard to have what we got. i know what god thinks of this and i quote (sorta)....if a man is caught laying with another man, both have done what is destable, and both will die, or heads be on a platter? (i paraphrase cuz i can't remember the verse or exact wording) just wtf is this place, really? spec4 e4, this is hell in a hand basket. The admements are just a sheet of ###### paper for these ass holes that try to take everything thing from us, its their way or no way, screw what our right minded fore fathers wrote for this world.

point taken. Very good point, we should all remember what christmas is all about. but hey i'm just as guilty as the next guy, but there is a time for change.

holy ######, maybe i should give up mausers and build one like that. Feel bad for them cars, they could of donated one to me to drive!

Dave, wish you the best. People like you make it eaiser for me to do things right, i love a good demonstration. I've just never been a big fan of big bullets, big bullets mean more kick from my expierence. I tried 196 gr in the 8mm mauser and it kicked the ###### outta me, so back to the 125-150's. yeah in my sierria the 8x57 is w/a 150spt loaded with imr 4895 is @2800fps, max load 50.5 grains. I just don't feel comfrotable loading to the max in a gun, old or not, i'm more for accuarcy then fast. when i want fast, i pick up the 7 mag, its loaded under max about 3.5 grains and still traveling @3000 fps. Holler at you later. Brenden

gun nutty, no i don't believe the 8mm-08 is a cannon because all i shoot in my 8mm's are 125 honrady and sierria 150 spt. I have no need for a huge chunk of 196 gr or 215 gr tree cutters, i make my own shooting lanes with a chainsaw When looking at the 338 balistics, a 215 bullet traveling at 2900fps is good in that cal. put that bullet in a short 308 where you can't stuff 70 + grains of powder, i'd rather throw a bowlin ball at em'. I don't load heavy....no stout loads in my guns. I'm not for stout loads because i've realized that: when your only shooting 200 yards max, a deer doesn't care if your load is max or 5 grains under, or if you hit them with a 100 gr hollow point or a 300 gr atom bomb, same results...venison. just my 2 cents, thanks for the info.

spiris, hey and thanks again. I appericate your thoughtfullness, and i see your point. Man if i just had the tools and had somebody to show me how to do it a couple times, i'd have no problem. Just the money to acquire the tools is enough to send me into debt, its easier for me to have somebody chamber the barrel and fit it to the action, and cheaper. I'll let dave pull his hair out first on the 8mm-08 and i think i'll go ahead and make a 7mm-08 instead of buyin a barrel for the t/c. I'll acquire more expierence soon, i learned alot on the last one i'm pretty good in fittin everything to the stock and i do my own bluing, and it looks like factory if i don't say so myself. I've re-did about all the guns in my community and made a pretty good profit from it too Minor technical issues i can fumble through, but again if someone would just show me once.... but hey, this is the fun of it....i'm assuming everyone started out like this. I appericate all that you have contributed, and i'm learning from ya. like my dad said, ask questions, keep your mouth shut when someone talks and you'll learn alot! I'm gonna shop around for an action, may go ahead and go w/the 24/47. the last one was intermieadate length and wasn't too much trouble so why not another. Thanks again. Dave, good luck on your build, remember i'm wanting to learn something here so walk us through step by step. Maybe later on i can start one on my own. Thanks Dave. gun nutty- havn't looked at the .338 fed, i think i'll stay away from this one. my mind is telling me its gonna be a cannon with some punch on both ends! but hey it won't hurt to take a look i guess. thanks.

can anybody say shot down. Spiris, all i gotta say is holy ######. I figured...aww 50-$75 for a set of dies for the 8mm-08. damn. i think i'll just leave the 8-08 alone for a while. so, here we are, the 8-06, since you put it in bold print, i can see where you want me to go lol. i looked again at the ballistics and i admit i like em'. Is the kick from one a monster, i've got a J.C higgins fn made 06 thats pretty light so i'm used to kick, but i'm a wuss, me and kickin guns don't get along anymore. i was thinkin about a 7mm-08 for the t/c encore but maybe i should do a mauser in it. I just want something diffrent, as you can tell. I kinda like the 24/47, except for the intermediate length action and all. is it possible to get the 8-06 to fit? I looked at the OLA for 8mm and 8-06 and the 8mm says- 3.250 and so does the 8mm-06. I've just always shyed away from the turks, i've heard horror stories on them and i've seen more than one that was "rode hard and put away wet". I just need something to keep me occupied and keep my mind off ######...ya know what i mean? This is were i find peace, re-doing guns and talkin bout them. I don't mean to come across as an arragont a-hole to you and hope i don't. just young and big dreams. If you like the k-kales, then i'd say their allright, cuz you know what ur talkin bout. I'd like to find a vz24, but i know there not in the surplus any more. I'm gonna go check out gunbroker for a kale and see whats happening. The barrel don't matter to me cuz i want a new shiny one:) Spiris, thanks for your help..maybe some day i can buy you a steak dinner brenden

thanks guys. i know i'm stubborn sounding but i'm hell bent on this 8mm-08. Spiris, how much you figuring on the 8mm-08 dies to cost? I've got the money and i'm willing to pay.(now single after 2.5 years,) more money for the toys I dunno....i looked at the 8mm-06 and i admit i like the case and the ballistics are freakin awsome, but you know how it is i just want to be diffrent. I looked at guns today and decided on a 24/47, think i'll buy it with in the next week or two...the cost is 198.00 from a dealer and i think this is a little high...how bout you all? Spiris, by grinding are you meaning by cutting say, 1/2 - 3/4 inch off the 8mm die it would then work and be able to expand and also re-size the case neck and sholder? I was dickin around last night and noticed it wasn't getting the neck to .323 dia. so i see what you mean there by it being shorter, just got kinda caught up and didn't think much about the 308 being shorter at first..(i know i'm a dumbass) well i'll go back and look over the 8-06 a little more, i know it won't be as expensive to build and prob not such a hassle, cuz i may try this one on my own instead of shippin it off, maybe have the local gun smith help me and of course you guyes. i thank you all so much for helpin me and i'm glad i found this site! Brenden

thanks again Spiris. I'm still thinking but i really want to do this. I know a guy in TN named Bill Vanfossan that could do the barrel for me. He did a 308 for me 2 years ago and it was awsome..and cheap i feel (150 for barrel and put on) Do i really need 8mm-08 dies, or can i get by with running 308's through the 8mm re-size, and then just trim them to a certain length? I don't know the exact length but its just gonna be a touch longer than 308. I dunno...i'm young and inexpirenced but i'm also presestient and quick to learn so i may have hope yet! If i do go through w/this i'll go w/a m48 yugo. This may be a dumb ass question but....does a 8mm to a 308 need a bolt change? I'm thinking no but i'm prob wrong. What kind of feeding problems am i going to have w/a 8mm-08 being shorter and all? I dunno..keep giving me info and i'll make up my mind for sure. And damnit DAVE, where are ya?? strait shooter is m.i.a. guyes. thanks! Brenden

Spiris, hey thanks for the link. i visit gunbroker often and must have over looked this one. I e-mailed the guy to try to find out just what he went by, and asked about the action and loads. Whats a good action for a short shell like the 8mm-08? I was thinking a mosin..but maybe we'll need something a little stronger. your help is appericated. thanks brenden

dave thank you! gald i'm not the only one that thought about it. what i'm thinkin is that basically it would be a 308 case with a .323 opening and the only couple things that would change is the shloulder diameter? (.351 upper, and lower .431) (i wonder if i'm correct in my illerate termonolgy?) and the length from the rim to the shoulder(lower- 1.827, upper- 1.933), and to the neck,(2.240 or slightly larger) and of course the neck (.323). I dunno...not too keen on this stuff, just got into reloading and been trying to think of sumthing! Dave if you've got the reamers...i can make a few shells and send em to ya..and maybe we can be cool together and have some kick ass 8mm-08's!! I believe i'd know a little better on the measurments if i owned a caliper..(i'm getting one this week) I'm gonna shop for an action,but i'd rather have a mauser...wait...what about a Mosin? I believe a Mosin would work...but i think i can think of sumthing better..let me drink on it I have no tools to work with...only ideas so Dave, the time has come my friend...lets do this! Brenden

hey guys, got a question for ya. Has anybody ever fooled around with the .308 case much? I was thinking the other night and took some .308 cases and ran them through the 8mm mauser die and came out with a case and bullet combination that i think i'll like. Thought it would be best of both worlds....the 8mm-08. I love the 8mm and 308 and thought y not. I can see a few good outcomes of this case, short action, better bc, maybe a little less powder...depending on how one loads, and using two of the greatest cals. ever of course. I just thought that hey....the 308 likes to loaded to the max...(atleast in my gun), so why not make a short action 8mm cal. that can be pushed to the max as well. when i say pushed to the max..velocity may not be very fast...maybe around 2800-2900 if ones lucky, but i think that this would be one kick ass brush beating deer killer....let me know what you think..maybe i'm crazy, or my luck, someones allready done this and hated it. if ya'll think this is a good cal..i may be in the market for a good custom gunsmith....let me know and thanks. Brenden

"If he is old, and cannot get an erection, it is hard to get a good measurement. And the bastards don't want to stand still while you measure them!" fritz, i'm tellin you the thing to do is put a little code blue on ya, and them old bastards will be runnin with legs wide open for you to measure..lol.. but remember the last time i tried to measure one, i came outta the woods sore. some of them old bastards are packin man! lol...that made me laugh..made my day. Jerry, you told the exact truth. I'm 19, been hunting since i was 7, and i still get nervous when a doe walks within bow range. Speakin of bow season, I harvested my first buck with a bow this year. It was a spike but hey, like my friend said, he had nutz and horns. That was the best expierence ever to make a wonderful heart shot and watch the deer go only 20 yards. Nature is the best ever, i love being outside taking in all the beauty and i've seen so much in my short years of being an outdoorsman.Even though i missed the big one, it doesn't bother me bad anymore. Its an expierence that i'll never forget, and someday be able to explaine to my kids how it feels to have the fever, and hopefully they can expierence it too! I'm just greatful that i'm able to go outdoors and do what i love. We should all be greatful because there are a lot of people that will never get to expierence nature at its finest, and the wonderful feeling of that first buck, squirrel, or whatever game is to ones likeing. Take care and best of luck to all.

since this is the general b.s session......i feel the need to b.s a little Today, monday, the 19 was the first day of deer season here in wv. I had missed a really nice 8pt on halloween night w/my bow(needed more light:( ) and thought, u little , i'll get ya w/the big 7mag. well today at 2:55 pm...here he came. Eighty yards from my tree stand in brush, i grunted he can to 50 yards behind a tree. his shoulder was exposed so the old 30-06 came to my sholder...and wouldn't you know it...bang...bang..deer walks off saying..you little ...you can't get me! I figured out why i missed (2 times in a row..and i hardly ever miss) though....the doctor said it was buck fever, and would prob. come back again if the big 8 shows up tomorrow. i redeemed myself though...took a decient 3 pt at 50 yards...sure is good eating! Just thought you'd all enjoy a good laugh. And by the way...tomorrow, the big 7mag will be in the hands of the "sniper".. so the brown will be down! Take care and if season is in anywhere else this week...everyone be careful and don't get the "fever"!

Hey thanks for the info. Personally i like the m48, but i also love the argies for their smooth action. Hate to admitt it but don't know much (other than what you've said) about the 24's. Just for info. i have a .308 that i built off of a charles daly action, (zastava). The gun has a fajen walking varimeter stock, A&B barrel in f54 contour, and plus the zastava. I'm capable of 1/4-1/2 inch groups at 100 yrds, but thats with good handloads in seirra 125 sbt, and i believe it was imr or winchester powder. Although i've always been a charles daly fan, i do agree they are alot to be desired. The saftey for one absolutly sucks, and the bolt could be a bit tighter. The only reason i built off of this action was because it was my first "custom" gun and the $ was right...Under $800 for the whole complete gun...scope and all. But hey it works and it kills the hell outta rockchucks!

Spiris, hey i'm not gonna knock the sweed. its a good gun and time tested and proven, but for me the 260 w/120 handloads fills my void. I looked through sierria's book just a minute ago, and really the 3 gr. greater capacity doesn't do it much good, their max load is less or equal to the .260 and if its the max load...that extra 3 gr capacity wont do me any good because none of my loads ever see max or beyond. yeah i know i'm a consertative or a wuss in most eyes. for me the 260 is logical, i can go down the road and pick up a box anyday if i want, the sweed, the choices are few and far between around here. (this is only in the case where i would get out of re-loading or something.) but hey, the 260 for me is to ponder on cuz i'm thinking about the 7mm-08 as well.it consist of the two best cals ever made, in my opinion. But to keep you happy spiris, i do want an old surplus sweed, maybe after i get my income tax back, i'll own one:) hey i want to see some pics of ur vz24 when done: Houndguy@go.com...send em' Brenden

thanks don, hmm......that hinged sounds ok...may be intrested if i get a 24..whats another strong action with regular sized floor plate? thanks don