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I went to set up my table at the Puyallup gun show and was directed to a table with a Finn rifle. I arrived there and found a like new 1932-dated VKT m/27. The price was a bit high at $200 but I bought it anyway. I paid for it and started to walk away when the guy said here is the bayonet that came with it. It was a Finn m/27 bayonet. I took them both home.

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I was in class 2/77. It was not fun. Hang in there fella!

Lapua Oy still makes D-47 and D-166 bullets that was originally used by the Finns for this rifle. You will have to load them into your cases but these are match quality bullets. Any Lapua loading manual will work for you. Also the Lapua cases are the best ones you can use for accuracy and durability.

I have never heard of people taking the barrels off of these guns. Let us know how it goes.

Yes I have In most case they will come off with having to remove the front site.

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Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathes The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!! Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say The Man gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Islams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?" The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes." I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven. The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs. In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. To elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.

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"Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose." - Ronald Reagan "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan "Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan "I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress." - Ronald Reagan "The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination." - Ronald Reagan "Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan "The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program." - Ronald Reagan "I've laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about anything that happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it's in the middle of a Cabinet meeting." - Ronald Reagan "It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it" - Ronald Reagan "Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." - Ronald Reagan "No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

Is the chamber rusted out? Please show me a picture of the bolt face and head. Someone may have re-chambered this if the chamber bore is not rusted. It may be a modified Bannerman gun.

Tony I had the same experience with a Spanish Foreign exchange student who thought his ###### was ice cream and everyone should grab for a spoon. He had to go back home to mommy. The people I visit with in Finland are all well respected business, medical, Law Enforcement and military types. I am not of Finnish decent ( I come from a Scottish background. My ancestors fought in dresses!). But this group if Finns have observed me on the net, as well as talked to Finnish Americans that have met me personally. They checked me out closely on my first visit and found that I was an all right guy after all, that has enthusiasm for fact based truth about Finnish history and their weapons. From that trip on a lot of doors opened up for me in Finalnd. Every trip I make, I am presented with some type of gift from this Finn group. The last trip, before this one, was a presentation Puukko knife that are hand made and issued to Military Officers. They are serial numbered too. This last trip they gave me a rare Finnish Civil Guard marked Russian Berdan II rifle. I am always welcome back for more trips. It seems I'm always getting to see more new items every time I go. They are a great group of guys!

It rains so much in western Washington that we do not tan we just rust.

Swamp our prayers are with you.

I didnt ask. But it smells of smoke.

Vic is knowledgable in this field. If its not electric penciled is most likely not a real one. What does that mean? The real ones started out as the most accurate ones test fired at the factory after they were built. The scopes mounts / rings were then centered to the axis of the bore and a scope was attached. This made for a very accurate rifle. When I say accurate...that means as accurate as a scope with its optics / reticle size can deliver. You will most likely find that after you zero the gun the reticle will be in one of the corners of the scope view.

My trip to Finland was a very interesting one this time. This was the 4th trip I made there for my study of the Finnish Military weapons, ammunition, tactics and the people. As usual I have a group of very close friends there, that I stay with. This keeps the trip expenses down when you don’t have to pay for a hotel or meals. Hotel and meals can be very costly in Finland. I must extend my gratitude to this core group of people that come from a very interesting background. One is a the equivalency to our Police ATF agent, another is a very well known and respected knife maker and the two more are very successful engineers. Thanks again to this group of friends. The first thing we did was to absorb some of the culture of the country. You really don’t get an understanding of what went on there during WWII, until you understand the people and their history. Very few historical studies of Finland understand that concept. We went to a few Castles and as well as to other historical sites. The study of the Finns and the people is always fun. Living with Finns, while you are there help a lot. I then got the opportunity to go to some very nice collections. One was a very nice uniform collection that included a full WWII aviator’s uniform. This uniform was complete. When I say complete, it had the history of the pilot’s performance to include his (what we call a 201 file in the Army) and his shoulder stocked browning Hi- Power. Also in this collections were many examples of Finnish uniforms to include a Jaeger uniform and the original 27 Jaeger unit badge. I then went and spent all day at another very large collection. In this collection there were things that I have never heard of before in the collecting of Finnish rifles. I also got to hold about every type of Finnish used sniper rifle ever made or used by the Finn’s. Next came a very large Lugar collection with Artillery, Navy and the Finnish guns to include the story behind the SAKO barreled Lugar’s. I was quite impressed. In this Lugar collection, was a very nice Finnish Lahti with an extended barrel, extended sites and an interesting shoulder stock. The Finns made the Tikka barrels for their Lugars. They were a much better grade of barrel than the standard German ones. But they were not as good as the Finns wanted them to be. So SAKO made custom barrels for people to buy and attach to their guns. These SAKO barrels were extremely accurate match grade barrels that could be used for target practice or combat. Then came my trip to Estonia. I have read about some people’s experiences about their trips to Estonia as well as some versions of the Estonian part in the Finnish WWII conflict. As with everything on the net you must do your own research and make your own judgments. The first thing I did was to read the book “For Freedom Only” by Evald Uustalu. This is a good book and reflects other historical records of the Estonian involvement. During the Finnish WWII conflict approx. 2300 Estonians went to the Finnish Army service. Another 400 served in the Navy. It was a good thing that they volunteered for Finnish service. But all of the Finns to include vets of the conflict that I have had contact with did not have a high opinion of the Estonians for several reasons. 1) The Finns gave a large amount arms and ammunition to the Estonians to “slow” the Soviets down so the Finns could better prepare for the Soviet juggernaut. This did not happen and they gave up with a very brief fight. All of those weapons and ammo was lost. As most know the Finns were very short on guns and ammo during the Winter War. 2) The Soviets in turn did massive bombing of Helsinki from the now captured airfields in Talliman, Estonia. As I was there in Finland, the President of Estonia publicly apologized to the Finnish people for this during a trade speech. 3) When the Germans ran the Russians out of Estonia the Estonian volunteers in Finland wanted to quit the Finnish armed forces and return to Estonia and fight with the Germans. Finally frustrated with their complaining Mannerheim released them to fight with the Germans While in Estonia and wanted to absorb the culture. One of the locals told me that approx 1/3 of there population is Russian. They are easy to I.D. as there were a lot of them drunk wandering the streets. My stomach that is very accurately attuned to trouble, was going off all the time there. Another thing we observed too was elderly women in the streets with tins cups begging for money. I knew I was in Eastern Europe. We also visited several antique stores while there in Talliman. I observed a large amount of religious icons. Some fake, some real. Almost all mil surp stuff there was fakes. This is the land of the fake Finn m/39 bayonets as well as many more military items. Buying anything real or good deals is impossible. We left Estonia and I was glad to leave. I also attended the Turkku Gun Show. The group of friends I went with, do 90% of all the gun shows in Finland to include all of the big ones. This is the show that they think is the best. Tampere is a close second. I met a lot of old friends there and I talked most of the time. I did find some good buys to include 1920s Civil Guard shooting badges, Civil Guard arm bands, cleaning rods for the m/27RV along with nose caps, m/91 rods/ hand guards and some misc. parts. One of the strangest things I found was a SK.Y marked brown leather blasting cap holder that looked like a long ammo pouch. The demolition teams used this for securing blasting caps. What I enjoy the most about the gun show was contacting old friends and having coffee with them. As usual I met Markku Palokangas and had the afternoon with him. Marrku is a great guy and he had recently found a very rare find for the museum. It was a 1920s Mauser pistol the looks like the model 1934 in 9mm Lugar. This belonged to a Finnish Officer. He also has some amazing things in the basement of his museum as well as some new displays. I then went to the national museum and saw the puukko knife display. While there we met another very famous puukko knife maker. He presented me with a very interesting puukko knife he made for me as a gift. I am not able to talk much about the knife, as it has not gone into production yet. I guess I have bored you long enough. In short it was a good trip and I enjoyed myself. Who could ask for anything more?

I just got back from Finland. They do use pine tar on their rifles as well as their boats and other things. It smells very smokey.

My brother went to Ranger school before I did and gave me a good piece of advice. Take it one day at a time and never...never quit. Once your done with it, land warfare will be much easier for you to command and you will be tactically and technically proficient in it. Everything in life will be a cake walk after it and you WILL be a much more confident person. You get to see SEALs and Marine Force Recon, and other Foreign Special Operations troops there. All the Marines flucked (7) except one E-6 and one O-2 (total 9). Of the 4 SEALs, 1 flunked. You never hear SEALs bad mouthing Rangers. I was most impressed with the British SAS trooper as well as the Israeli commando there. We started with 65 heads and graduated 31. I can say now...it was fun. Sort of. Good luck Ranger Wayne J. Beals Ranger Class 2/77

Good stuff. Thanks Tony!

I have seen boiled linseed oil finishes as well as the stained ones which was a chemical process they soaked it in.

Good post Tony!

A much improved sight over the old m/91.