FC Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Clips of the program http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heart/view/ The psychology of killing. I knew the dirty word killing was being avoided. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...s/grossman.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 FC..I have seen this comie ((*&^*))_+)(_ before. If you know any vet who needs to talk give him my E-mail. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I take it you don't approve Karl? Which one? I think the guy makes valid points as to the avoidance of the four-letter word "Kill". The guys I met that were wounded did not want to talk to anybody about their psychologic needs. Nope, not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaco Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 What is the spirit of the bayonet? flaco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimro Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 To kill, to kill, to kill without mercy. However, killing does take a toll on the mental and emotional well being of just about any well adjusted individual, whether they have been trained to kill or not. If the act of taking a human life does not affect you in some way, I would be scared. Very few people can kill without emotion. Jimro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 First, it has to be made damn clear to the troops and to their families that the war that they are waging is a just and a proper war in defence on only of the United States but of the Arabs as well. You folk have freed a people from a savage and a monster and are preventing the maggot who fed off those people from going back and doing it again. Yours is a noble fight. You are also protecting the American people. Every sob you zap is one less to come over here and blow him or herself up in the local mall or school. Your fight is saving all our butts and I thank you for it. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I need to go and actually watch this, but the wife has been on the cell phone or talking to me when I've wanted to watch this. I am thinking of her boy in the Marine Reserves who is leaving to do convoy escort in January. I keep trying to have her tell him he has to get prepared for what he will face. He has no idea what it will be like. His dad has filled him with dumb ideas as to the glory of war. It is simply the gruesome business of trying not to get killed by dumb mistakes, and killing the bad guys. His dad honest to gosh believes he was a Confederate general that died in action, and he is trying to live vicariously through his son. "Rob" needs to find a vet or two that will keep his hiney alive for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I've watched four of these segments. I find them very well done and right on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 "His dad has filled him with dumb ideas as to the glory of war." FC. Was his dad a Marine? As to glory and I would add the honor of the Corps, they are seen as having great value in the Corps. Marines spend a lot of time learning our history and tradition. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 His dad got injured in boot camp. He is trying to live out his dead dream through his son. There is no glory in war, and that's where the movies I watched as a kid lead me astray. John Wayne isn't there, and there's no background music. War is a necessary evil, and it is a lot of things, but glorious isn't one of them. Don't mistake this as an anti-war in Iraq thing. I'm all for winning this thing, but the price is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 There is no glory in war FC. I must disagree on that. The glory of war is in the fact that the troops will go to the second firefight for something they believe in. Call it love of comrades, the honor of the regiment, for God and country..what ever name you wish. The fact that a person will go "out" more than once earns him or her glory in my book. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 That is honorable behavior, but doesn't make war itself a glorious thing. I've seen enough burned bodies and blasted arms, legs, and faces to think otherwise. So I think we agree, but haven't made the distinction between the honor of service and the horror of warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hello FC. That is why I hate PC war. If we are going to send the kids out to the battle, we owe it to them to give them every support. Don't send men or women where you can send arty or air. If the goal is not important enough to make every effort than damn well declare victory and make peace. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The injuries I've seen in order of prevalence are: 1. IED's 2. RPG's 3. Gunshot wounds 4. Burns as a result of IED's The problem is there is no way to be there and not have a problem with these. Well, gunshots can be avoided by blasting a house, but most gunshots are while in a vehicle. I haven't dealt much with car bombs because those are newer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 "The injuries I've seen in order of prevalence are: 1. IED's 2. RPG's 3. Gunshot wounds 4. Burns as a result of IED's" FC. Thanks for all the worry and care. You are doing good work. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Thanks. I miss working directly with those fellows, but there's other work to be done, like quelching arguments between the staff, doing paperwork, and moderating this mess. My wife told me she'd never be in middle management again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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