tinkerfive Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I was re reading the small ring magnums thread and got another idea. There was mention of re-taping them to the large ring pattern. One of the appeals of the Turksih actions was the availability of both good and inexpensive Remmington barrels that could be rethreaded to fit the Turk small ring thread pattern. In standard calibers that is fine but when you start to talk about doing that with a magnum caliber everyone (myself included) gets very nervous about such thin walls as the first layer around a magnum cartridge. My thought was rather than re-tap the action to a large ring pattern, re-tap it to the Remington pattern. Then the barrels don't need rethreaded, just faced off. lets leave economics out of the discussion. FYI taper tap $40, bottom tap $50 total $90. Before doing anything else I want to ask this question, is the metalurgy of a K Kale up to building a magnum on, is it truly as good as any LR action? Is the metalurgy of an 03 Turk up to building a short magnum on? I've got actions and barrels and an urge to get them together, if it's a safe thing to do. I'm talking 7MM Rem mag and 300 Win mag and a 300 SAUM Rem mag. Tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bapayton Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Great question and one I had questions about myself. I have 2- 1903/38's (actually one is a 1937, the other 1939) and 1 K.Kale 1944. These are my first 3 sporter projects and it's exciting to plan out the process. Anyhow, in turning off the front ring on all 3 I can tell you the K.Kale is much harder than the 03/38's at least as far as lathe cutting effort goes. Maybe the lug area of the 03/38's have been heat treated where the k.kale is treated throughout but for my money (and life expectancy) I will not put a high pressure round in the 03/38's. I'm going to turn one into a 7.62x39 using the GunPartsCorp kit ($95 for barrel and parts), the other will probably be 7x57 with the K.Kale being a 6.5x55 since I already have a barrel in that caliber. I know that doesn't answer all of your questions but maybe it will help. I am interested in who responds to the "rethread mauser to remington threads" part. Should be an interesting topic. I was re reading the small ring magnums thread and got another idea. There was mention of re-taping them to the large ring pattern. One of the appeals of the Turksih actions was the availability of both good and inexpensive Remmington barrels that could be rethreaded to fit the Turk small ring thread pattern. In standard calibers that is fine but when you start to talk about doing that with a magnum caliber everyone (myself included) gets very nervous about such thin walls as the first layer around a magnum cartridge. My thought was rather than re-tap the action to a large ring pattern, re-tap it to the Remington pattern. Then the barrels don't need rethreaded, just faced off. lets leave economics out of the discussion. FYI taper tap $40, bottom tap $50 total $90. Before doing anything else I want to ask this question, is the metalurgy of a K Kale up to building a magnum on, is it truly as good as any LR action? Is the metalurgy of an 03 Turk up to building a short magnum on? I've got actions and barrels and an urge to get them together, if it's a safe thing to do. I'm talking 7MM Rem mag and 300 Win mag and a 300 SAUM Rem mag. Tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z1r Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Sorry but you can't retap from .980x12 to 1.06"x16 tpi. Retapping up to a LR thread would not be advisable either because it is doubtful you'd end up with a square thread or rather threads square to the bolt bore. Single pointing up to 1.10x12 might be ok but hardly worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carzngunz Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 I really like these turk magnum discussions. It looks like the small ring threads in the receiver should clean up and make rethreading to 1.06-16 possible. The minor diameter of the 1.06-16 threads should be just under 1". Keeping the tap straight will be a challenge though. All in all I think it's possible but getting the old threads cleaned up and the new ones cut straight is critical. By the way Travers Tool has all three styles of 1 1/16-16 taps for $39.50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limpid Lizard Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Single pointing is the only real option, and as has been mentioned, it is hardly worth the effort. You would have to build tooling to set the receiver up in the lathe and then cut the thread. Unless one was looking for a challenge, one would have to vaule his time pretty cheaply to justify the time spent on this. Could I do this? Yes, the required tooling was built for another project and is sitting on the shop bench. Would I spend my time on this? Not unless I was damn broke and bored. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Here is a K.Kale, fired three idenical rounds in a row with increasing Copper fouling in a rough bore A&B 243 barrel. The K.Kale is fine, but I have not shot is since. [attachmentid=51] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 It looks like the small ring threads in the receiver should clean up and make rethreading to 1.06-16 possible. The minor diameter of the 1.06-16 threads should be just under 1". Yes, but the major diameter of a .980x12 tpi whitworth thread is prox .980", vs minor of .995" for the 16 tpi "v" thread you are proposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinkerfive Posted March 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Thanks guys for the positive input on the K Kales. Sounds like it is 'do-able'. I'd like to get more input on the 03's please. As to some of the other comments... Because it is a challenge "It is better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all" I'm really looking for input pertaining to the "technical" feasability. I'm quite capable of determining for myself if it is worth doing. The 'worth' can just be in accomplishing something difficult. Please keep the informed "technical" info coming. Tinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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