war in the Mideast

[karlunity]

A must read historical account of Terrorism against the US ~

This is not very long, but very informative. You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, reset the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again. In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979... That alarm has been ringing for years.

US Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.

AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!

That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.

America's military had been decimated and down sized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.

Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.

Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.

The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.

Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.

Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.

The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of

1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.

Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.

The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.

A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.

They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.

The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.

Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage, political or militarily, to address what so many who preceded him didn't have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.

If you believe in this please forward it to as many people as you can especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so quick to protest such a necessary military action. If you don't believe it, just delete it and go back to sleep.

 

 

I would add that Iran is the "center" of the Islamic movement and it must be conquered. Until that is done the problem will remain. I don't know how we are going to do it. It will take 500.000 troops to do it right, no more zoomie shock and awe bs and that I think means a return to the draft. Unless the Iranans are dumb enough to explode a nuke or organize an another 9/11 I don't see that happening.

 

I support Bush, but this PC "Islam is the religion of Peace" crap coming out of DC has

removed the national anger that would have made a crusade possible.

 

Karl

 

Karl

[Jimro]

Iran may be the center of it all, but Saudi Arabia is funding it.

 

Jimro

[karlunity]

Iran may be the center of it all, but Saudi Arabia is funding it.

 

Jimro

 

 

I agree, they see it as buying peace, sort of like the Eastern Roman Empire paying the Huns to attack the Western Roman instead of them.

 

I don't see why we just don't land the 1st Mardiv and declare a "protectate" over the oil fields.

 

Since the Islamic world hates us they may as well fear us.

 

Karl

[sonic1]

oilfields i think you hit the nail on the head there THIS is all about oil....

the ISLAMIC world could care less about the U.S. .....what they don"t like is our

policy in the middel east. our troops on there soil ..to make sure the oil keeps flowing.....if they had no oil we would treat them just like AFRICA ..

as CHINA become a major oil buyer look out boys and girls there lining up with

the arabs to make sure THERE oil keeps flowing..

 

no windfall profit tax on the oil companys this time... we got oil boys in the whitehouse now..the only energy they can think of is pumped from the ground..

 

 

CHINA is 15 to 20 years away from being the next world power..every country

has its turn,,theres is coming up and theres little we can do to stop it..more and more troops around oil field will not stop them..

a sain energy policy is the best way to stop fighting the world for oil..

now i support the troops there doing as ordered ..

the writer says we need to PROTECT OUR WAY OF LIFE "that means protect our oil" because that is our way of life.

 

 

OK MY RANT IS OVER

[karlunity]

CHINA is 15 to 20 years away from being the next world power..every country

has its turn,,theres is coming up and theres little we can do to stop it..more and more troops around oil field will not stop them..

a sain energy policy is the best way to stop fighting the world for oil..

now i support the troops there doing as ordered ..

the writer says we need to PROTECT OUR WAY OF LIFE "that means protect our oil" because that is our way of life.

sonic 1

 

 

So we just roll over and play dead?

The Reds are a savage lot how do you think the heirs of Mao are going to deal with you, your kids or grandkids?

 

Take a good look a Tibet.

 

As for oil, drive smaller cars..the hell with the leaves and fish and deer..drill and pump..coal to oil ..atomic power..time to take the world by the throat and make it give us what we want.

 

If the dam pink bleeding hearts or oneworld types latee drinking liberals don't like it.."up against the wall" with them.

 

 

Kindly Karl

 

Karl

[Jimro]

Karl,

 

There are fewer landfills today than there were a decade ago, but there is more space available for garbage because of advances in practice and industry.

 

If the automotive industry had advanced the way the computer industry had, a Rolls-Royce would cost pennies and get thousands of miles to the gallon.

 

Advances in technology are consumer driven, not military driven. Unless, like the US in WWII and Soviet Russia, the military is the main consumer. We cannot be free from Islamic fundamentalism unless we kill them all, and all that would replace them.

 

The solution to our oil "crisis" will not come from the government, it will come from the consumer base if and only if the consumers demand alternatives.

 

Jimro

[karlunity]

The solution to our oil "crisis" will not come from the government, it will come from the consumer base if and only if the consumers demand alternatives.

 

Jimro

 

For many years we have been told that we have enough coal to last 500 years and we know the Germans made fuel from coal, even while being bombed.

The problem is the cost..it is cheaper to buy oil than to make it.

 

Well, at 65 bucks I would guess that that equation no longer computes.

 

Islam was a danger to the West when the trade routes ran through the Mideast.

When folks could sail to Asia for trade goods, circa 1550, Islam begin to decline.

 

In plain American, two things have to be done in the Mid East to protect America:

A, stop the need for oil and the flow of wealth and Islam is not a problem.

B. Treat both Jews and Arabs evenhandedly.

 

Karl

[Jimro]

At 35 bucks a barrel it becomes profitable to turn coal to oil.

 

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/...00900211213.txt

 

Turning coal into petroleum products

 

By CHARLES S. JOHNSON

Lee News Service

 

HELENA, Mont. -- Using a updated version of the technology the Nazis used to manufacture diesel fuel from coal during World War II, Gov. Brian Schweitzer believes Montana could produce oil and other petroleum products from the millions of tons of coal reserves it owns in southeastern Montana.

 

When he was in Washington, D.C., earlier this month, Schweitzer met with a top Pentagon official, Theodore Barna, assistant deputy undersecretary of defense, to discuss the federal government plan to encourage the manufacturing of petroleum fuels by using various clean-coal technologies. The Defense Department is pushing the idea to develop a single, American-manufactured fuel that it can buy, but wants it developed privately, Schweitzer said.

 

Fired up by the idea, Schweitzer intends to devote much of his time in the coming months exploring the possibility of having one and possibly more of these plants built here by private industry.

 

"We're not talking about one plant here," Schweitzer said. "I want to get the first one off and going, and it could look like this all over Montana."

 

Schweitzer envisions a plant located at where the state-owned Otter Creek coal reserves are located in Powder River County. It would cost $2.5 billion to build a private project over two years with 5,000 construction workers, he said, citing Pentagon estimates. Some 1,000 people would operate the plant permanently, not counting those working to mine the coal to fuel the plant. Such a plant would produce 30,000 barrels of fuel daily.

 

"I'm going to spend a great deal of energy and time meeting with potential investors, potential partners like oil and gas companies, pipeline companies, construction companies, coal companies and financiers to see if we can't put the resources together to build the first plant on Otter Creek," he said. Montana owns 600 million tons of coal, co-located with 600 million tons owned by Great Northern Properties and 1.2 billion tons owned by the Northern Cheyenne Tribe, he said.

 

The coal conversion process produces no air pollution, uses no water and creates electricity as a byproduct. The petroleum fuels produced could be shipped out of state by pipeline so coal wouldn't have to be generated, which creates air pollution and needing transmission lines to be sited to ship the power out of state.

 

"It sounds too good to be true, doesn't it?" Schweitzer said in an interview Friday. "This is a physicist at the Department of Defense saying we're getting serious about this, and we'll buy all you produce."

 

Technology on the shelf

 

At the heart of the plan is using an updated version of the Fischer-Tropsch technology developed by two German scientists in 1923 to convert coal into petroleum products. Hitler used the process to power the German tanks and other vehicles during World War II when the country was short of oil. More recently, when much of the world wouldn't trade with South Africa during Apartheid, that country used the same technology to produce oil.

 

"What you do first is the coal gasification process," Schweitzer said. "You crush the coal up, heat it and get your gas. From there, it's a chemical reaction. You have a big tank and use either cobalt or iron as the catalyst. What you get out of that is the building blocks to make fuel. You get carbon monoxide and you get hydrogen. With those two, you can make any fuel you would like to make-diesel, gasoline, heating fuel, plastics, fertilizer or pure hydrogen."

 

So why hasn't anyone been using Fischer-Tropsch technology in the United States?

 

"It's kind of been left on the shelf because this process costs more than oil's been worth," the governor said.

 

The answer, Barna told Schweitzer, is that break-even point with Fischer-Tropsch technology is when oil is $35 a barrel. When oil costs more than $35 a barrel, it's cheaper to make these fuels from coal through this technology.

 

Pentagon officials "are interested in this obviously for national defense, where they find that 50 percent of their fuel to run the military is coming from countries we're likely to be fighting, and that is not a very good position to be in," he said.

 

Sen. Keith Bales, R-Otter, who lives near the state-owned coal reserves, applauded the idea.

 

"If the technology is there, I think it is a great thing to do," he said in a phone interview Friday. "It could be a very big boon for Montana."

 

What's more, Bales said, such a development would generate a huge amount of money in royalties for the state school trust.

 

Bales, however, was pragmatic, saying: "It's tough to get anything new going on in this state." He cited environmental permitting, Land Board issues and other concerns, including likely lawsuits, that could delay such a project.

 

"Powder River County has been hoping something would get started," Bales said.

 

Schweitzer said Montana has a huge advantage over other states because it owns the Otter Creek reserves, which the federal government traded to it after President Clinton halted a proposed gold mine near Yellowstone National Park.

 

"So clearly we can move mountains in terms of bringing private resources to bear here," Schweitzer said. "The state can help in training people to run it, siting pipeline and bringing financial instruments to bear."

 

Schweitzer said this Fischer-Tropsch technology will be a major focus of his state energy summit set for Bozeman on Oct. 19 and 20.

 

"I'm not going to be shooting from the hip here," he said. "I'm going to bring in the best there is to be our advisers."

 

########

 

As for treating Jews and Muslims the same, it won't happen. If we gave as much aid to Jordan as Israel we would just be funding more terrorist to come back to haunt us. Terrorists want the complete anhilation of Israel, and as long as we support Israel we are a target for that reason, but we are a target simply because we are not a Muslim nation, and if we were a Muslim nation, we wouldn't be the "right" type of nation, and still a target of terrorists.

 

So, keep supporting Israel, appeasing terrorists doesn't work.

 

Jimro