karlunity Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Fellas. About the ammo shortage. What if the some of the trillions that are lost was used to buy up and store or dump all the ammo and components that were on the market? Paranoid Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 What if a group of wealthy NYC types got together and started buying stock in arms and ammo companies just so they could shut them down? (Just a rumor I heard the other day) Paranoid Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Could be, Ken Something is up. I would expect the ammo firms to be putting on extra hands but from what I can see, it is not happening. Heck, if the court rules that you have a right to arms....and you hate guns...stop the supply of ammo. Within a few years, it will all be fired at the range...as for the fellas with large supplies, require very expensive "safe" storage..with a grace period, they will be forced to sell it or shoot it up and in a few years ammo will scarce. karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron J Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I had heard somewhere that X amount of states were considering some type of ammo serialization. This would basically end reloading and anything store bought would be registered. I figured that if that does happen, already owned stuff would be grandfathered, so everyone was buying all they could. This current crew is capable of trying anything. Paranoid also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamprat Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I told you folks months ago. The secound guaranteed the right to firearms not the right to ammunition (powder or shot). The anti's finally relized you can't fight the 2nd but you can stop the ownership of powder and ball. When they are done you will be able to own a Browning 50 cal machine gun. Of course it will be for display only as possession of an explosive powder in any form will carry the automatic death sentence. Then they will require you to give up the 50 cal. for raw material to suppport the good of the people. God I hope I'm dead by then. Swamprat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
724wd Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 i heard somewhere that federal is running 3 shifts 24/7 and if no other orders come in, would be caught up with backorders near the end of the year. the ammo guys aren't dumb. they're cranking out ammo as fast as they can, but any time it hits the shelves, it's being gobbled up by us. they're making cash right now on our paranoia, be it real or imagined. ammo is coming out, but with every store in the US that carries ammo having bare shelves, your local wal mart might be further down the list of who gets what, making it look like no ammo is coming out. the feds don't have a lock on ammo yet, fellas, but that fear is there, so we're creating an ammo 'shortage' by buying everything we see. good for the ammo companies, good for the guys that get the shipments as soon as they hit the shelves, bad for me, since i can't find any .40! heath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limpid Lizard Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 ATK, just down the road from me, recently called back 80 laid off workers. LL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Went to Wal*Mart. They had a few boxes of 100 CCI 22's and no other 22's at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 ATK, just down the road from me, recently called back 80 laid off workers. LL If they're laying off workers it's due to extreme mismanagement or there's truth to the rumors. However, I find it hard to believe the anti's would turn their backs on the kind of money that's possible in the ammo industry these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 What's been going through my mind is how Cerberus Capital has been buying up firearm manufacturers. Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, and other smaller firearm related companies. They also own Chrysler. Now that Chrysler is in Washington with their hand sticking out. It makes me wonder what the Obamanation is going to ask for in concessions. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 That's some scarry shiite right there, Tom. Also, Cerberus is run/owned by a bunch of very high level politicians. I forget which administration, but big, big names and they hide them. Every once in a while one of the names slips out. This was interesting too: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94803 Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists' Returning U.S. military veterans singled out as particular threats -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 12, 2009 9:40 pm Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats. The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts." However, the report goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." Are you ready for a second Declaration of Independence? Sign the petition promoting true freedom once again! The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." "[T]he consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says. It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power." "Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement." Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans. "Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities." The report cites the April 4 shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'" It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization." The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement." "DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues. The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S. Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS. The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes. Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC. "My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety." "For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC." Yeah, they're watching the masses buy ammo. Yeah, they're scared. They know they can push the masses only so far, so fast. Also remember that every one of these "groups" has at least one federal informant in them. And they are usually the ones proposing illegal activities. Even the group of about 8 people down the road from me that called themselves the Washington County Militia had an informant that snitched them off. The leader is in the pen now. Not that he was necessarily using his best judgement (manufacturing 1917's, Stens, etc. from parts sets), but they never hurt anyone and that a little pissant collection in bumfuq, AR had a federal snitch among them is telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
724wd Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 If they're laying off workers it's due to extreme mismanagement or there's truth to the rumors. However, I find it hard to believe the anti's would turn their backs on the kind of money that's possible in the ammo industry these days. Ken, LL is saying they called back the workers. 80 laid off workers are now back at work cranking out the good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted April 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Fellas. Here in Cali a Rock Island .45 about $300 on the net, is, if you can find one, $600. A Colt is a grand or more. The mil-sups are drying up so the prices are going up on commercial guns. I was at the range to pick up some powder at the pro-shop...they were out : ( (More buy it..before it's banned!!) But the firing coming from the rifle range sound darn weak..sort of like back in the 80's when rifle ammo was .50 a round. No-One was blasting away. I think the problem may be that the mil-sup market has just bottomed out. Why? Well. either there are no more mil-sups and ammo left or imports are being restricted. karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dr. Hess, it makes my blood boil to read that our government of, by, and for the people would talk this way! Leave people alone and they are fine, but start getting in the face of "right wing" Americans who go to work and live normal lives, and the government will have trouble. It's sort of like swirling a stick around in a box of rattlesnakes- it's a really stupid move, and I don't think the rattlers are as much afraid as irritated! Karl, I guess there are a lot of people like me that bought milsurps when they were cheap, and don't have a need to sell. I might sell when I go back home, because I just don't need that many guns, to be honest. A shotgun, a lever action, a bolt action, my flintlock, .22, and a couple of Colt clones should be plenty. I really like my Swiss though. Heck, it would be kind of hard to get rid of some of the others, being especially fond of cowboy-type guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Ken, LL is saying they called back the workers. 80 laid off workers are now back at work cranking out the good stuff. Oops, My Bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 FC. I was thinking along the same lines, but it is hard to sell a good rifle or pistol. karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Also remember that every one of these "groups" has at least one federal informant in them. What I discovered in my union activities while I was postal worker was the snitches were the ones that always encouraged illegal or disruptive activities. It was usually pretty easy figuring out whom the snitch was and I used to enjoy setting them up to make an ass of themselves. The snitch would be the one speaking up the loudest trying to organize a strike, sick-in or work slow down. All of which are felonies for federal employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists' Returning U.S. military veterans singled out as particular threats -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 12, 2009 9:40 pm Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats. The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts." However, the report goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." Are you ready for a second Declaration of Independence? Sign the petition promoting true freedom once again! The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." "[T]he consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says. It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power." "Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement." Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans. "Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities." The report cites the April 4 shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'" It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization." The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement." "DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues. The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S. Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS. The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes. Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC. "My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety." "For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC." Here it is folks. Bush empowered, Leftist controlled. When I spoke out against these KGB/Gestapo types everyone accused me of being a liberal. Read my signature line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShooterTom Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists' Returning U.S. military veterans singled out as particular threats -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 12, 2009 9:40 pm Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats. The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts." However, the report goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." Are you ready for a second Declaration of Independence? Sign the petition promoting true freedom once again! The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." "[T]he consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says. It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power." "Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement." Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans. "Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities." The report cites the April 4 shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'" It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization." The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement." "DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues. The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S. Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS. The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes. Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC. "My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety." "For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC." Here it is folks. Bush empowered, Leftist controlled. When I spoke out against these KGB/Gestapo types everyone accused me of being a liberal. Read my signature line. Not everyone Ken! I agree with you, I'm also not a liberal. I have family and friends that gave me flack for it back when Bush was President. How does that song go, ""You got to stand for something or you will fall for anything"? something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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