swamprat Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Navy snipers took out 3 of the 4 pirates while the the fourth was on board negociating his release. Way to go USA!!!! Swamprat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 That's good news. Being a former merchant sailor, and having traveled those waters, I have a rather personal empathy for the sailors. It starts to look bad when the French seem to have more balls that the US. They've been sending in the FFL to kick ass. Anyway, Good Shoootin' Guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Anyway, Good Shoootin' Guys! WELL SAID!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Especially since the news reports say SEALS did the shooting. Of course, just because it was in the news doesn't make it true. My friend used to teach marksmanship to SEALS. He said they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. They were a "spray and pray" type of shooter, not a long range sniper type. I'll have to ask him if SEALS were worse shots than policemen. He says that when the police are shooting, the safest place to stand is in front of the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradD Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I don't intend to take anything away from our heroes. They are great! However, they say the range was 25 meters. Our deputy riflemen regulary trained for that and three aholes and three shots in three seconds by one deputy is pretty much doable. Three shooters is three times as good. Don't care about the controversy, just glad that Americans still aren't someone to f--- with. Don't think we ever will be, no matter how many dips gain control of politics, media and the campuses in our country. Our blood doesn't run through their veins, nor theirs through ours. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamprat Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I don't intend to take anything away from our heroes. They are great! However, they say the range was 25 meters. Our deputy riflemen regulary trained for that and three aholes and three shots in three seconds by one deputy is pretty much doable. Three shooters is three times as good. Don't care about the controversy, just glad that Americans still aren't someone to f--- with. Don't think we ever will be, no matter how many dips gain control of politics, media and the campuses in our country. Our blood doesn't run through their veins, nor theirs through ours. B. Do your deputies train on a ship rolling on the ocean at a target that is also rolling on the ocean? I can shoot the eye out of a lincoln penny at 25 yds. on dry land with bench support. Throw your deputies in a boat on a calm lake and I bet they can't hit thier arse with a 2x4! That is if they aren't heaving over the side. Apples to apples not apples to oranges. Swamprat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 A few more details from http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95451 : FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN How Obama actually delayed pirate rescue SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 18, 2009 11:45 pm Eastern © 2009 WorldNetDaily Editor's note: The following is adapted from an exclusive report in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter edited by the founder of WND. You can access the full report by subscribing to G2 Bulletin for $99 a year or $9.95 per month for credit card users. WASHINGTON – While Barack Obama is basking in praise for his "decisive" handling of the Somali pirate attack on a merchant ship in the India Ocean, reliable military sources close to the scene are painting a much different picture of the incident – accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement that actually hampered the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips and extended the drama at sea for days. Multiple opportunities to free the captain of the Maersk Alabama from three young pirates were missed, these sources say – all because a Navy SEAL team was not immediately ordered to the scene and then forced to operate under strict, non-lethal rules of engagement. They say the response duty office at the Pentagon was initially unwilling to grant an order to use lethal force to rescue Phillips. They also report the White House refused to authorize deployment of a Navy SEAL team to the location for 36 hours, despite the recommendation of the on-scene commander. The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge. The SEAL team operated under rules of engagement that required them to do nothing unless the hostage's life was in "imminent' danger. In fact, when the USS Bainbridge dispatched a rigid-hull inflatable boat to bring supplies to the Maersk Alabama, it came under fire that could not be returned even though the SEAL team had the pirates in their sights. Many hours before the fatal shots were fired, taking out the three young pirates, Phillips jumped into the Indian Ocean with the idea of giving the snipers a clear target. However, the SEAL team was still under orders not to shoot. Hours later, frustrated by the missed opportunities to resolve the standoff, the commander of the Bainbridge and the captain of the Navy SEAL team determined they had operational authority to evaluate the risk to the hostage, and took out the pirates at the first opportunity – finally freeing Phillips. The G2 Bulletin report was authored by Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, and a veteran newsman with extensive military sources developed over the last 30 years. So, it looks like the SEALs and the Captain of the Bainbridge took it on themselves to more or less "interpret" The O's orders in a fashion that would save Capt. Phillips instead of just sitting there until he got killed. I wondered why they didn't pop the "pirates" when Phillips jumped over the side. Starting to look like we'll have 8 years of Mogadishu "feel good, don't hurt their feelings" orders again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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