Posted 22 November 2006 - 04:20 PM
Posted 22 November 2006 - 05:39 PM
Has anyone done a Carcano sporter project? What would be a good caliber for it and are there any difficulties or problems using this action? Thanks, Paul P.
The clip fed mag would be a nightmare to sportorize with anything other than the original 6.5. If you by chance have one in 8MM DON'T SHOOT IT if you enjoy life and your eyesight.
Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:01 PM
Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:22 PM
Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:29 PM
As far as the problem of the enbloc clips, I work with CNC machines so I plan on milling a small notch on the side of the receiver and building a clip retainer with a spring to hold the cartridges in and make it feed reliably without the clips. Or you could just use an LER scope mounted further forward as to allow loading with the clips and you wouldn't have to mess with the bolt handle.
I don't think a project with a Type 1 Carcano is really the same though as it was build specifically for the Japanese navy just before WWII and it is a different design then most carcanos and I believe has many features found on the Arisaka. I don't even know if it even feeds with clips originally.
Posted 22 November 2006 - 07:36 PM
If I were going to do one I'd keep it in the original 6.5 mm chambering. It's very well documented to effectively kill large mammals.
Posted 22 November 2006 - 09:09 PM
Posted 23 November 2006 - 01:14 PM
Posted 23 November 2006 - 09:08 PM
Posted 23 November 2006 - 09:37 PM
The rim diameter of the 7.62x39 and the 6.5 Italian round are VERY close.
Would it be possible to "chop" an M16 or AK mag, open-up the underside of the receiver for the magazine feed-lips, and chamber the barrel for 7.62x39?
The M16 mag seems an ideal candidate, as its upper section is straight for insertion into the long M16 mag opening. Shortening the mag to 5 rounds and using the existing follower and spring would do nicely.
Posted 23 November 2006 - 10:17 PM
Azredneck what is the problem with 8mm?
Years ago there were numerous warnings being published in gun rags not to shoot the 8MM Carcano. The 8MM is over the pressure limit of the Carcano. Best I recall the warning also warned against using the lower pressure USA made ammo. If you have or come across a 8MM Carcano I imagine there is some collectability as with all WW2 goods. The 8MM Carcano being some what of an oddity it should get a good price especially if it is in virginal condition.
Posted 23 November 2006 - 10:36 PM
Posted 24 November 2006 - 04:24 AM
IF the gun has no collector value and IF you can lengthen AK magazine and IF you can handle the odd (left-hand) receiver thread, this might be do-able.
Posted 24 November 2006 - 12:33 PM
I had thought about the 7.62x39 but was concerned about the pressures. My thoughts were to pick up a surplus SKS barrel and drill the Carcano barrel stub to solder the SKS barrel inside. What do you guys think? It would make for a light weight compact economical to shoot bolt action. Thanks, Paul P.
Posted 24 November 2006 - 01:03 PM
The only issue I'd be concerned with is the twist-rate. With the relatively light bullets used in the 7.62x39, a 1-in-10 twist is too fast. I've seen many disappointing accuracy tests with the 'x39 (even in bolt rifles), and I've always wondered if using a 1-in-14 twist would be a better option. The Parker-Hale pull barrels were 1-in-15, whick would be just about perfect for the 'x39.
Posted 24 November 2006 - 01:27 PM
To tell you guys the truth the 8mm Carcanos don't really have much collector value. I was interested in getting one for a while and I watched the online gun auctions and most sold around $150. Carcano collectors believe that the conversions were not even done during WWII but instead after the war in an attempt to make them more attractive to potential buyers like Isreal and the surrounding Arab states in need of weapons at the time. If I had one with a really cruddy barrel I wouldn't think twice about attempting some sort of project with it.
Posted 25 November 2006 - 06:43 AM
Posted 26 November 2006 - 10:36 PM
Do you really believe that it was the carcano that did it?
Maybe so, but there had to be a backup rifle. Remember the fellow on the knoll, he had a better shot angle. But that is all history now, and the carcano in question is not for sale.
The little pistol that did in Lee Harvey Oswald did sell. It was returned to the family (they don't do that nowadays). At least we know who shot Lee.
It has been so long, I have forgotten who shot JR. Dallas has a legacy all it's own. Unless you are a Texan, it may be hard to comprehend the way the Dallas police force does things.
Even to this day.
BTW, I have one of those carcanos that I did a chop job on in the late 60s, and it was a poor performer (to say the least). It resides in an unlocked building along with some of my other items that are going to have to be disposed of someday. But it's the only firearm in that building, the rest of the junk is just as worthless.
If you have an unaltered one, keep it so. Someone may want, someday, the rifle that did in a president.
But don't lie.
Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:14 AM
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