AzRednek Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 Been thinking about doing an AR or possibly a Glock. Doing some rough math I can't see a big if any savings money wise but I find the idea of building a paperless gun something to think about. Don't know if it's true or not. An acquaintance told me licensed gun smiths won't work on paperless guns. Anybody know if it's true?? Youtube videos make building an AR from an 80% lower look simple. Building an upper a bit more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 I'm working on one but too cold in my shop lately. It's true, gunsmiths are required to log in a gun when it comes into their shop. It' not rocket science but it is more difficult than sporterizing a mauser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 6, 2018 Report Share Posted March 6, 2018 SGN/Firearms News has had several articles on doing it. In one, the guy did it like 3 different ways and got a shootable rifle each time, including the simple way with a drill press and a vice. I would think that making one from an 80% blank is more involved than putting together an upper. You don't have to drill or mill or file much for the upper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailormilan2 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Share Posted March 10, 2018 Go to CalGuns forum and search 80% lowers. There are quite a few threads about them on CalGuns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2018 Thx guys, my shooting bud with the equipment backed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 16, 2018 Report Share Posted March 16, 2018 A jig and a drill press are about the minimum required tools, according to the SGN article. The jigs come with the 80% lowers, most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 An trim router will work with a lower jig. Can remember which one but oncevyou drill the holes in the trigger area, it's not bad. Just take your time. Try this one, https://www.80percentarms.com/collections/lower-jigs/products/80-ar-15-easy-jig Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Thx Rob, that tool from what I read looks like it would make the job simpler. I hope to go forward with the project but I have numerous things I need to get done before starting another project. I recently 86'd a family of deadbeats and the damage they left will be keeping me busy for several weeks. Don't want to put it off for to long as our politicians will probably be runnng interference before long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 After thinking about the 80% vs 100% lower, my wife and I got dome good deals for lower before the shooting. 4 for $200(conservative), 5 at 39.99 each(4 conservative), then another 5 at 29.99 each(conservative). Got 2-5.56 target 1:9 24" barrel 2-5.56 C.A.R 1:7 2-6.5 GRENDAL 24" 1-6.5 GRENDAL 20" 2-300 BLKOUT 16" CAR 2-7.62X39 16" CAR 1-6.8 SPC II 18" 1-6.8 SPC II 16" in the works, 3 lowers are already built up. 2-458 Socom 1- 5.56 24" 1:8 or 1:7 And an friend got one while I was doing the NIC, he went thru the NIC as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 http://www.primaryarms.com http://www.quanticotactical.com/asp/itemDetail.asp?dispItemNum=5868&type=M&CMN=Aero Precision&CMNum=306&CMSNum=1291&CMSN=Stripped Lowers> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Thx for the info Rob. I just have to much going on and some other unfinished projects before I can get it started on another. Gotta admit life was much easier before the wife dumped me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Hey Rob, be sure to see my thread on 300BO. I finally got it nailed down using reloads at a cost of around 8 cents a pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr.Hess said: Hey Rob, be sure to see my thread on 300BO. I finally got it nailed down using reloads at a cost of around 8 cents a pop. Found it and read it. Interesting. I have yet to fire the 300Blkout. Might try an lighter buffer spring. But will keerp that in mind. Right now I playing with the two issue upper i had built. 1. 6.8 SPC II, inject the round but fail to load. Thinking it short stoking. Because I remove the gas block and handguard to install and sling swivel for an bipod. Work great before, so the gas holes are not in line. 2. 6.5 Grendal, rounds are jamming. When I open it, the buffer pop out without help. So I change the retainer and the buffer. Now it does not pop out. S See if that fix the problem. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 With my limited skills I doubt I could build one any better than what comes from a factory or even the manufactures that don't make anything just assemble parts. Some might think I'm paranoid but I really like is the idea of having a paperless AR or a Glock. I think a 300 BO launching a 220gr 30 cal bullet at subsonic velocity through a suppressor would be a cool toy. I've read net chatter claiming the combination lowers the decibel level well below to that of a 22RF. I wouldn't be surprised if the Military considered it for use by snipers. I've read during the Nam war both sides were using snipers armed with crossbows as a silent assasin's weapon. I bet a 300 BO would be just as if not more effective but give the sniper a longer distance to do the deed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Az, I just bought a 5D Tectical 80% jig, should be home by the time I get home. I still have not bought the 80% lowers yet but looks like it will work with any lower. https://www.5dtactical.com/ar-15-jig-p/5d-aljig15.htm Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 That looks like a pretty nice jig, Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Dr.Hess said: That looks like a pretty nice jig, Rob. I might loan it out to you when I am done with it. But you may want to buy your own bites. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted June 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Keep us posted on your project. Do you know if using the jig does one need a drill press or can it be done with a hand held drill?? I have a cheapie Harbor Freight drill press but it's been at least 10 or more years since I used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 That rig looks like it takes a small router. If I understand the principal, there's a special bit with a bearing that rides along the jig. You just make shallow cuts in the aluminum with the router, going a bit deeper each time, until you are done. And use a drill press to do the hammer/trigger pin holes. There are other jigs designed for drill presses. You won't get as nice a finished receiver with those, but they say they will work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Here is their video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, AzRednek said: Keep us posted on your project. Do you know if using the jig does one need a drill press or can it be done with a hand held drill?? I have a cheapie Harbor Freight drill press but it's been at least 10 or more years since I used it. Can be done with a hand drill, just drill from each side and your fine. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Wow. That's a very well thought out kit, Rob. Two bills is a fair price. Buys a lot of $50 receivers, though. Can't justify it on cost, but certainly can from a hobby perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Dr.Hess said: Wow. That's a very well thought out kit, Rob. Two bills is a fair price. Buys a lot of $50 receivers, though. Can't justify it on cost, but certainly can from a hobby perspective. Well, no papers is always great. Plus when finished with jig. you can always sell it of loan it out. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 e4 Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 I got the jig in and looks very easy to use. but there are no imstructionscwith them. so i went to the website and printed them off. I read them and sound very easy to day but they only recommend using a few trim router. I might rent the jig and router out after I am done. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 I saw that on their web page about a list of compatible routers. Do your road adventures ever bring you through NW Arkansas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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