karlunity Posted March 12, 2022 Report Share Posted March 12, 2022 I am not a soft hearted guy but it would have been better to tell this to both Russia and the Ukraine BEFORE the war.!!!!!! karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 A week before the war Kamala gave a speech saying Ukraine should joint Nato. I believe the leftist leaders in this country baited Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Yep, And got a lot of both Russians and Ukrainians killed.Worse they played right into the hands of the Little Russia party karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 That's what I'm suspecting. Not just the leftist either, but the whole military industrial complex here. That is, it isn't just a one week thing, but a decades thing. Push here, push there, threaten, topple a government, install a crony, etc. Putin and his backers (it's never one person) just finally either flat out had enough or is using this as an excuse. If they stop with Ukraine, well, then the west got put in its place. If they do continue on and rebuild the buffer country system like during the last cold war, well, then I see this NATO thing as just the excuse to do it. Nobody wants to see nuclear missiles on their border pointing at them. Remember the Cuban missile crisis. That was resolved not by getting all tough-guy on the Russians, but by negotiating away the missiles that the US had next to the Russians, in Turkey I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Right it was Turkey...Right on the other points too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 NATO was what Putin complained about, but was that the reason he took part of Georgia, two provinces of Ukraine, Crimea, and started being a threat to the Baltic states? Territorial ambition had to be the lion's share of the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 13, 2022 Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 Georgia was "fast tracked" for NATO membership also. That warm water port, Crimea, I think, just wasn't up for debate. As I said, it's the Russian's only port that is open all year round. Otherwise, I don't think territorial ambition so much as buffer zone, but the two could be considered the same, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2022 It should be clear to the Ukrainians that they are NOT going to get Nato armies or a no-fly-zone or ww lll. It should also be clear to the Russians that the Ukrainians can fight. So..NOW is the best time for the two to make a deal. If the Russians pay a blood price for taking Kiev, Ukraine has nothing left to deal with. But Russia does not want to lose more troops. So both sides have more to lose the longer this goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, karlunity said: It should be clear to the Ukrainians that they are NOT going to get Nato armies or a no-fly-zone or ww lll. It should also be clear to the Russians that the Ukrainians can fight. So..NOW is the best time for the two to make a deal. If the Russians pay a blood price for taking Kiev, Ukraine has nothing left to deal with. But Russia does not want to lose more troops. So both sides have more to lose the longer this goes on. I don’t know Karl. Yeah it would outright stupid for NATO to engage the Russians in a shooting war. However it might be a good tactical move on NATO’s part that it’s being considered. Might help keep Putin looking over his shoulder toward Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 hours ago, karlunity said: It should be clear to the Ukrainians that they are NOT going to get Nato armies or a no-fly-zone or ww lll. It should also be clear to the Russians that the Ukrainians can fight. So..NOW is the best time for the two to make a deal. If the Russians pay a blood price for taking Kiev, Ukraine has nothing left to deal with. But Russia does not want to lose more troops. So both sides have more to lose the longer this goes on. You're right Karl. The longer the Ukrainians hold out the more death and destruction they bring on themselves, now and after they do finally cave in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 Looks like the second amendment or the theory behind it still works. I was wrong I expected Russia to win in a week..still say not our war not our problem karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 Mark Levin: 'For All the Attacks on Donald Trump, the Man Was a Foreign Policy Genius' (breitbart.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 Yep Trump was smarter than the PC..That I think is why they so fear him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 Samaritan's Purse declined my application. Yeah, I'm unhappy with that decision. I suspect it's ageism, but you'll never be told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 14, 2022 Report Share Posted March 14, 2022 I think it's for the best, FC. There are so many lies out there about this whole thing, there's no telling what you might have stepped off into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2022 Glad to hear that pal karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzRednek Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/13/2022 at 9:24 AM, karlunity said: Right it was Turkey...Right on the other points too. I believe there was also an off the record agreement that the CIA would stop trying to kill Castro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted March 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 If so, the CIA under JFK did not keep to it nor would have under RFK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 This: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2022-03-29/real-ukraine-war-not-goody-two-shoes-version is an interesting article on Ukraine. Certainly a point of view not seen in our media. Strange how all the media shows the exact same thing, same message, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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