karlunity Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 if Be-Be is going to send in the IDF, he best do it soon. The tide is turning..I am seeing calls for a truce..and time to negotiate BS on the net. I know it is hard. This IDF is not what their fathers were and the youngsters dont want to take the loses. of tunnels and city fighting. But time is against them. I am already seeing Gaza called an open air prison camp of hopeless people. karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 It's too late to go now, they have lost the initiative. If they were not ready to go weeks ago when Hamas attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Yes, I'm concerned about the delay as well. Perhaps the rest of the world put pressure on them to not exterminate hamas. Pressure and dollars, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 On the other hand, they could just be getting all the pieces in the right places. They really got pissed off this time. https://www.zerohedge.com/military/special-ops-marine-3-star-general-advising-israeli-army-gaza-offensive I'm reading a book right now, CITY OF DEATH humanitarian warriors in the battle of mosul (Free Burma Rangers.Mattos, Ephraim) It is about a SEAL that quit, then joined the Free Burma Rangers, a combat humanitarian medical group. They patch up the wounded, bring them to the back and shoot their way out if need be. They went to Mosul with the Iraqi Army, as their medics when the Iraqi's took Mosul back from ISIS. A good read. That article says "The American officers have shared lessons the U.S. has learned from fighting ISIS in Mosul." I think the fighting will be very similar, but the Izzy's will be better organized and equipped. Tunnels and door to door house cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Evidently the Israeli leadership is asleep at the wheel. If I was surrounded by people that want me dead, and they did in fact assault me, my response would be immediate, irrevocable, and violent. With Jewish history in mind, the idea that they have restrictions on the publics ability to "keep and Bear arms" is absolute insanity. Israel seems to be a shadow of it's former self. And if there are American generals there to "advise them is laughable, my guess is they are there to hold back the IDF. The US is not able to defend it's own boarders much less tell another country how to defend theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted October 23, 2023 Report Share Posted October 23, 2023 Those are some good points, Ken. It is my understanding that generals are mostly politicians these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted October 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 The IDF has become dependent on the USA. So, fact is they must follow "advise" or the flow of weapons stop. YES. I know about the "Jewish" Lobby and it does have some political power. as most lobbies do. But that could change when the powers that be WANT it to change. All it would take is a media campaign. There was little love for Jewish folk till about 1945 some say about the 1970s. Go around the net even now and see. Nope..Be-Be has a problem and he knows if it is not settled, it will pop up again in 20 years. Question is: Will the world allow him to fix it? Karl Yep I know of the TWO STATE solution.Short of dividing the nation in half, I dont think it could work. Each side will see the other on THEIR land. Nope. Let the boys fight it out . Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 Rafi Farber is an Israeli Jew who is an economics genius (YouTube). He has zero trust in his politicians. He said it took them 7 hours to respond! He makes a distinction between the Jewish people and the spiritual nation of Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted October 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 As do I. Gay pride marches in Jerusalem ..Where pray is that in the Bible? I know I know we have them too but we( except me), dont see America as the Promised land. I have also heard that one can be arrested if he or she preaches about Christ any where in Israel where under-aged children may hear them. (that is hearsay from the net) Os yes. I do see a large difference between pols (theirs or ours) and spiritual people. The Hippy, for example, is spiritual.,then an America first type..I am an America first type then spiritual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karlunity Posted October 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 So the IDF has started a land invasion of Gaza? Or are they still just bombing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted October 24, 2023 Report Share Posted October 24, 2023 That guy was interesting. Liked the history lesson. If the people rise up, well, it's gonna get "biblical," as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted October 25, 2023 Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 He doesn't look like much, but he's brilliant. I read that they're trying to negotiate for release of the women and children for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted October 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 I suspect a land invasion is off the table unless they can get the USMC or US Army to do it. The IDF is brilliant in maneuver warfare but they dont like urban combat. Lots and lots of filled body bags and it is a very small nation. Yet, if they accept a two state or worse s truce, the problem is still there and in 20 years? One way or the other they have to end this or leave. Negotiating for hostages? That just makes them take more hostages next time Another point: In any two state if it is work work both states have to prosper and people have to want to live there.I see LOTS and LOTS of American foreign aid$$$$$ to even have a small chance. The kids are going to get a mind boggling bill.We should have listened to Washington George that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted October 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2023 https://news.yahoo.com/israel-agrees-u-request-delay-151316351.html Well the IDF may have waited too long. Seems Mr Biden and the PC said be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Biden's trying to play both sides, and that doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted October 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 If they trust the PC..they are not as smart as I heard they were. karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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