karlunity Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 If you get elected President, Federalists. Wig, Democratic-Republican, Democratic or Republican, party does not matter in this case, half the people love you and half hate you. The press from the Brooklyn Eagle to The New York Times to CNN & Foxx love to use you to sell copy and worst the story the better the copy. Your family life is gonna get shot to heck. You have not been able to walk around the block for a beer since Truman and, in the last 30 years, your "pals" are writing "exposure" books as soon as the can find a publisher. You do get what $400.000 a year? Not bad, but it is peanuts to most who win the office these days. If you screw up, you may blow up the world. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 "If you get elected President, Federalists. Wig, Democratic-Republican, Democratic or Republican, party does not matter in this case, half the people love you and half hate you. " That's pretty optimistic, seeing that Bush has way less than half the people loving him. What is it now---28% approval rating? fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted July 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Bush has way less than half the people loving him. What is it now---28% approval rating? fritz Mr. Bush, imho, on his worst day is a better president than Mr. or Mrs. Clinton were or would be on their best day. Still the question is: Why Would A Person Want To Be President? karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 My guesses would be vanity, a sense of duty, or a desire to effect certain changes based on either deeply held beliefs or less high motives. Or it could be some combination of the above .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted July 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Hello CG. I would hope that is is a noble motive. (I think that the only President who seemed to like the job was TR. BULLY.) Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Well, yes, higher motives are better ... the trouble is Dems will ascribe low motives to Reps and vice versa. Does anyone here believe that Clinton's gun control moves were 'high minded'? Similarly, few lefties would consider the Iraq war a noble enterprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Well, yes, higher motives are better ... the trouble is Dems will ascribe low motives to Reps and vice versa. Does anyone here believe that Clinton's gun control moves were 'high minded'? Similarly, few lefties would consider the Iraq war a noble enterprise. As the war drags on, some of Bush's own people are jumping off the War Wagon. I look for his approval rating to sink even lower, as more and more Republicans do not consider it such a noble enterprise. fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 As the war drags on, some of Bush's own people are jumping off the War Wagon. I look for his approval rating to sink even lower, as more and more Republicans do not consider it such a noble enterprise. Well, ok, I suppose popularity enters into it at some point too ... but if you asked those same people if they felt that Bush got America into the war for corrupt motives or was sincere but mistaken about the conduct of the war I think many would pick the latter. Dems wouldn't be so inclined, I think ... I've never been in favour of this campaign, and for just this reason ... that it may well damage the GOP so much as to be unelectable, and in this case it may mean another Clinton in the White House. That is bad news for all of us. That being said, I believe Bush had his reasons to invade Iraq, and the game is not fully played out, although prospects for success look dim. By 'success' I would mean a stable and democratic Iraq which is allied to America and capable of containing Iran and any fundamentalist Muslim organizations in the area. Your mileage may vary ... btw, any thoughts on why Hilary wants the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 "By 'success' I would mean a stable and democratic Iraq which is allied to America and capable of containing Iran and any fundamentalist Muslim organizations in the area." But even the President of Iraq said on national news that his government can do the job themselves, and the US can leave "anytime". By the US staying has now become more of our own interests than "liberating" the people of Iraq (which BTW was the reason given for invading in the first place, or so the administration said). Of course their oil never had anything to do with it. As to why Hilary wants back in the White House---maybe she wants to rearrange the furniture back to where it was for the eight years she was there. Is that a "noble" enterprise? I dunno, you tell me. I'm not sure what your interpretation of "noble" is. It seems that the word means different approaches to a problem or situation, as interpretated by different ideologies. fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 "By 'success' I would mean a stable and democratic Iraq which is allied to America and capable of containing Iran and any fundamentalist Muslim organizations in the area." But even the President of Iraq said on national news that his government can do the job themselves, and the US can leave "anytime". By the US staying has now become more of our own interests than "liberating" the people of Iraq (which BTW was the reason given for invading in the first place, or so the administration said). Of course their oil never had anything to do with it. I am skeptical of what the Iraqi President said on TV. After all, faced with an inevitable withdrawal of US forces, what else can he say? That doesn't necessarily mean Iraq can hold out without substantial US help. I'd pick a better yardstick if you hope to be convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 "I'd pick a better yardstick if you hope to be convincing. " Will a date on the calendar suffice for a "yardstick"? How about November 7, 2008? Hell, I understand that if Hilary ran for president today----Canada (if they could vote) would make it a landslide! Care to explain that? Maybe the Canadians use the "yardstick" you are referring to. Do you Canucks use the inch or the metric stick? fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 November 7 will do just fine, and I'll agree things look poor but there is still some time. We'll see if GWB can pull one last rabbit out of the hat before leaving. I never thought he'd win either election and he did, so close calls are nothing knew for him. As to what we Canucks use, yardstick or meter stick? The answer is both ... in true Canuck fashion we'd rather leave our options open. And while its true that many of my fellow countrymen claim they would vote for Hillary, its not all that surprising even if somewhat apalling. I'm afraid the country swallowed the socialist koolaid quite some time ago ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 "I'm afraid the country swallowed the socialist koolaid quite some time ago ... " I sympathize with you. But here in Texas we drink beer, not koolaid. You can call change by any word you choose, but here in this country we are fed up with false promises and failed politics. And we vote our convictions. "Well, ok, I suppose popularity enters into it at some point too ... " You better believe it does! fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted July 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 this country we are fed up with false promises and failed politics fritz. OK. so it it Nov. 9 .2008 and Hill is in the White-house and the House and Senate are controlled by the left. More gun bans.. More federal judges who support "diversity" and open borders.. expanded NAFTA. More tax "the social community must reach out". What exactly do you see as good in all this? Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 "What exactly do you see as good in all this?" Who said it was good? I said it was inevitable, even if that is a hard pill to swallow. "More federal judges who support "diversity" and open borders.." How the hell could the borders be more open than they are now? fritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Who said it was good? I said it was inevitable, even if that is a hard pill to swallow. fritz. Nothing in politics is "inevitable"...remember the "Dewey wins" headline? As far as the borders..just wait: There will be an effort to encourage people to cross the border,,heck I think that Hill or Obama would try their best to remove the concept of a border. I have nothing against Mexicans coming into the USA and learning English and our Constitution and History, I may even open a school for "New Americans" when I retire. ( when your well comes in, you can be one of our supporting benefactors) : ) What I object to is the very concept of "diversity" as it is used to undermined the national unity of the United States. heck, at one of the seminars I went to, You were supposed to talk about about your "Nationality". When I talked about being an American, I was told that American is not a nationality'. my answer to "diversity" is become American and you are welcome here or if that offends you stay home. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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