karlunity Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Any of you guys been watching Glen Beck? I agree with a lot of what he believes: The power of government has gotten too strong and there are those who think that "the better" class should rule. But there are problems: Not all of us are the type to start and run our own business or earn a P.hD. With most of the jobs over seas and more following each day..the Unions do have a bit of a point. Tariffs..closed borders..an end to governments handouts are the answer of course, but like Karl in the dentist...it is gonna hurt. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99-100 Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Part of the reason some of those businesses have gone overseas is the yards of bureaucracy that the Federal govt has created. A case in point look at Michigan. When your "govt" employees outnumber your manufacturing employed you are in serious trouble. When I was in college I got to know my sociology teacher we'll enough that he'd loan me books from his personal library much of which covered the period 1900-1940 in the U.S. After watching Beck and doing my own research I can now understand the look I remember on his face as he discussed "progressives". It is the same look my mother in law gets when she sees a spider, fear and revulsion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Some business did indeed go over seas to escape the fed, but cheap labor was a powerful draw. Assume that the fed, minds its business, if I can pay a Chinese 20 bucks a week or an American 200 a week, I am going to make more loot with a factory in China even if I must pay transport and payoffs. Rome had that problem after it took Egypt. (Cheap grain) That is what led to the famed bread and circuses. The Roman small farmer simply could not compete so he sold the farm and went to Rome. No jobs ..hunger..will sooner or later lead to revolution or dictatorship. Look at France in 1789 or Russia in 1917 or Germany in 1933. I think that the nation has to keep enough manufacturing, agriculture and energy base AT HOME to ensure national survival. Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Some business did indeed go over seas to escape the fed, but cheap labor was a powerful draw. Assume that the fed, minds its business, if I can pay a Chinese 20 bucks a week or an American 200 a week, I am going to make more loot with a factory in China even if I must pay transport and payoffs. Rome had that problem after it took Egypt. (Cheap grain) That is what led to the famed bread and circuses. The Roman small farmer simply could not compete so he sold the farm and went to Rome. No jobs ..hunger..will sooner or later lead to revolution or dictatorship. Look at France in 1789 or Russia in 1917 or Germany in 1933. I think that the nation has to keep enough manufacturing, agriculture and energy base AT HOME to ensure national survival. Karl Na, just get a job 'on base' (does not mean enlisting) or the 'BLM', or the 'hiway dept', or the school district (Non-teacher job) etc. etc. That's how they think around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlunity Posted February 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Na, just get a job 'on base' (does not mean enlisting) or the 'BLM', or the 'hiway dept',or the school district (Non-teacher job) etc. etc. That's how they think around here. logical...cannot send those jobs to China But short range thinking. What happens when the money runs out and there is NO-One left to tax or to borrow from? Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Hess Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 My friend, my old roommate, actually, works closing down US plants and shipping the jobs to Mexico, China, etc. I specifically asked him why a company would ship all their production out like that, was it US wages or what? He replied that it was primarily US government regulations that was driving the jobs out. I submit it was done on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiris Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 The current administration is not business friendly, and small business will not create jobs while huge tax increases are looming along with potential government mandates that small business will have shoved down their throats. Just another reason that business is moving jobs out of the country, to a more friendly environment. It's obvious business will not begin to flourish until obama is ousted in 2012. Better yet, the November elections will signal the shift to common sense. Glenn Beck makes sense, that's why the liberals hate him. Spiris “The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money” –Margaret Thatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken98k Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 logical...cannot send those jobs to China But short range thinking. What happens when the money runs out and there is NO-One left to tax or to borrow from? Karl That's what I ask them. Their answer is usually "we pay taxes too you know." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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