I've Had Enough!

[jverduce]

I thought this board was about Military Firearms Sporterizing and Restoration.

[pacrat]

I thought this board was about Military Firearms Sporterizing and Restoration.

 

 

Which rely on the protections guaranteed in the Constitution to be able to do so.

 

So, your point is?????

 

just ask'n

[gun nutty]

I'm with you, Bro. We need some uplifting posts in the sporterizing sections. Hopefully some winter projects are in the works that will be shared soon.

 

Unfortunately, there's much chatter around the water cooler about all these whack-jobs deciding to die and TAKING EVERYONE WITH THEM! Many folks on this board fear the loss of something we enjoy and are passionate about. It's tough focusing right now.

 

We are in a sad state in our economy, drought, political division, and a morality downward spiral. I think for many people, there's a sense of hopelessness. I don't watch the news on TV; it's just too damn depressing. Our world seems rather cold and empty at times. I don't know what kind of world my young daughter is walking into any more.

 

God willing, I'm hoping we run out of bad things to talk about and can focus on some positive energy. We have no lack of many wonderful people, inspiring stories, and incredible heroes to guide us.

[FC]

Many thanks to you too bubs! If you want the uplifting family and life topics you can "friend" me on Facebook, like some of the guys have.

 

We've had several shootings this month, the political tide is against free gun ownership, and you complain because the posts are negative?

 

Stick to the sporter area if you don't like this area. I don't make a dime off this, and you are certainly free to go to whatever other sporterizing board you can find out there. Better idea, since I do most of the posts here, I vote we give the board to Waterdogz and let him transform it into what it should be! Besides, I have a full time job, signed up for five hours of post-masters, manage the church website and manage the facility, this website, have chickens, buy, fix, and resell furniture and antiques, and do woodworking. I'm sure you have some spare time?

 

Also- there are so many items in the archives that almost every question that needs to be asked and answered has been. Would you sign up to a board when you can look for an answer without signing up? That's just what I do with Mustang questions.

[ShooterTom]

waterdogz, You may need to take an internet break for a while, the gun control subject is every where right now and with good reason. This is about the mildest firearm message board I know.

 

Tom

[karlunity]

I would add that if a person does not pay mind to what is going on in the political, he is fooling himself.

Once bans are passed and collections start, conflict will result. By prudent fore actions we hope to prevent that.

The left has had gun bans as a goal since at least the 1930's.

If we fail to keep an eye out, they will get them

 

 

karl

[FC]

My apologies for being whiney, but this one grated on my nerves.

[gun nutty]

I understand waterdogz' frustration. I'm in the same mindset. I cringe every time I turn on the TV and see an image of an elementary school.... I wait for the other foot to drop and an announcer to proclaim some new tragedy.

 

Terrorists kill and destroy for a reason: attention and/or recognition of a cause. Shock value is just icing on the cake.

 

The monsters performing these acts are no different. It's all about making a statement or recognition. And the press today milks it for what it's worth; ratings and nothing more. The news stations and these villains keep each other alive.

[brokengun]

_{I originally came to this site like many others to learn and enjoy a hobby that transcends into liberty; the Right to Keep and Bear Arms!}

 

 

_{But today we have a threat that if it is not stopped will undermine this nation, perhaps forever.}

 

_{This threat will lead to registration, Confiscation and _________ (you can fill in the blank!)}

 

_{Our nation is on the verge of an economic and social collapse that has never been seen in our life times.}

 

_{People are afraid and they should be.}

 

_{We can not ignore the reality that is before us but instead we must muster the courage to stand against it.}

 

_{If not, then the Freedoms recognized in our Constitution may perish for ever!}

 

_{Remember Bill Ayers said their goal once they took over the country was to send 15% of the population to Re-education camps or worse.}

 

_{Doug Hagmann just said in a radio interview that fiscal cliff is part of the agenda of the WH alone with gun control to take total control over the USA.}

 

_{The plan is multi-facetted; did you really think it was only about guns?}

 

_{FC thank you for this site and I hope I will be up and running for a very long time or at least until the powers to be shut down sites with alternative views critical to Obama which Hagmann said would also happen!}

[FC]

Thanks.

I'd add this site is of, by, and for you all. It's what we all make it, and if it's not what you want it to be then have a look in the mirror and make some changes.

[jverduce]

JMHO - Anyone who chooses to access this board can read these posts. As far as by and for the members, all these posts are like preaching to the choir. I don't necessarily disagree but. . . I have taught Hunter/Trapper Education for years. I am also a NRA Rifle, Pistol and Shotgun Instructor who actively teaches in the area. As important as the material and skills to be taught it is just as important to portray ourselves as sportsman. We sell our passion! We teach "ethical harvesting" of game animals in a safe, humane manor using terms like field dressing, ethical, shotgun, rifle, firearm, harvesting etc. We stress safe firearm handling, safe firearm storage and marksmanship. We are very careful about how we refer to our tools and their use. Why? Because it is important to portray what we do and how we do it in a manor that does not make us look like some nutcase bloodthirsty kooks to those who do not share our passion for firearms and the shooting sports. What we post and how we post is not us good old boys sitting around talking over a few beers. It's out there for all to see. I want more people liking what I like and liking what I do. Not the other way around. Convert the masses instead of scarring them away! Sell your passion. When you stuff it down people's throat, they just throw up!

Just for the record. . . . I love the AR platform. It is a fine firearm. I own them and many other types as well. No I don't want anyone to infringe upon my right to own and use them.

[manureman]

I know better than to even start this and Waterdogz please dont take this as me picking on you or at you becuase I used to feel the way you do. But in all honesty I have a total gut full and some throwing up of my own to do from folks cramming sh-t down my throat. The second amendment was never about hunting and I'll go one step further and say limited to guns.Its about my right to protect me and mine and as far as I'm concerened arms covers a helluva lot more than guns.Sorry folks but I am damn sick and tired of all the PC capital B capital S and I have no intention of even trying to be polite about the subject any longer. You can leave me and mine the hell alone and I'll leave you and yours the hell alone ,or not.

[cougar69]

Quick Carl, you tell it like it is. Amen brother.

[manureman]

I'll second that! Sure wish I was wordsmith enough to have said it that way.

[FC]

I'm pretty certain the frustration is at the issues I've brought up for scrutiny. We'd better bring this stuff up and see if it can survive a debate. I know some want no debate at all, and, working with the public every day I can tell you that your viewpoints aren't going to survive a vote unless you can take on any argument and win it with reason rather than just digging in your heels.

 

Armed resistance, a subject being suggested by many who respond to news articles: Again, who are they going to shoot? State troopers, who also have families, coming down their driveway? Kids in the National Guard? Balogna on the armed resistance unless your state takes this as a cause. Better think this all through really good, figure out where the red line is, and not be on your own when you make a red line. Frankly, I'd rather be wrong, and die myself rather than shoot the people I've met in the Sheriff's department, or my fellow soldiers.

[FC]

I'm not talking political opponents, but citizens.

[FC]

Thanks Quick Karl for the offer to give. I added up giving, and with the web security, annual site service fee, and site fee, we about break even. I think funds are okay for now, but when it comes time to pay something I'll holler.

 

As to the subject- I got the ugly for bringing up questions to our general line of thinking on a publicly viewable site, but then the complaint is that the public is ignorant?

 

Nobody here ventured to answer to the question the female and guy substitute talk show hosts on Hannity asked as to why we have to have semi-automatics?

[Spiris]

The problem is that this country is suffering from the dumbing down of the voting age youth, and those looking for the free ride, and the result is the re-election of clearly the most economically ignorant, and narcissistic president in my memory. The guy can talk the bloomers off a Nun, but he doesn't know how to be an American president, and he will use these gun deaths to further his liberal agenda. I have no legitimate answer to the problem, as he covers his tracks well and plays the executive privilege card when the Republicans get too close to the truth. So we wait and watch.

[FC]

Waterdogz seems to be unhappy that on an obscure public bulletin board debate has been opened up, and beliefs are being opened up for scrutiny. Emotionally held beliefs will not win the day, but, "The pen is mightier than the sword." So when I link to an article that puts up statistics that appears to show that our beliefs don't hold up to facts, do you demonstrate that the article is wrong? No, you just dig in your heels and get upset. You'd never get your masters degree without the ability to defend your arguments. When Rush Limbaugh is hit hard, he will state what his opposition said, then go after the topic. He wins doing this.

 

I often read that if a killer could use a knife, bow and arrow, baseball bat, etc. to do the killing, why are those weapons not good enough for you since they can kill? I know the answer, but this just shows the weakness of that argument. Should a law abiding person be able to buy any weapon that they want? Long ago one popular poster said he should be able to buy whatever weapon the government has. So if the Sandy Hook killer's mom had a submachine gun, would he have used the Glock or the submachine gun? I'd personally like to have a MG-42, a full auto Tommy gun, and get blasting caps to play with. The government can get those, so should I because the 2nd Ammendment is for defense against a potential rogue government? The answer is obviously no. If I have ready access to those, then gangland would have them too. Somewhere there is a limit to personal firepower available to the public for public safety reasons. The old bolt action and double barrel shotgun get the job done. The biggest threats to my home and property are drug addicts, loose dogs, and varmints. It doesn't take my SKS to deal with them. If the government went Redcoats and Communist on us, standard weapons will do the job they have always done. Do I want my SKS taken away from me? No, I didn't do anything wrong, but if it was, am I left defenseless? To be honest, I have never liked the M-16, and hated it in the desert sand. I'd rather have had my K-31 or .30-30, because they work every time.

 

Here's the bottom line for the urban public- they are sick of the mass shootings, which means they are getting intolerant of weapons that work well in mass shootings. The line from a lot of guys where they dig in their heels, say, "My cold dead fingers", and that's the end of that argument is a losing line. Better have something better than that for a stance. I believe in the 1st and 2nd Ammendments, but technology has caused a lot of problems for both those ammendments. Technology and printing presses, mixed with the modern Godless man, have made porn, a threat to the 1st Ammendment, and highly destructive weapons, a threat to the 2nd Ammendment. Now we have to deal with keeping those rights alive in light of changes in the modern world.

[karlunity]

The problem with that argument is as follows:

The weapons exist and are going to continue to exist.

If we the people, give up our right to arms in the name of security, then only the people running the state will have control of said weapons.

Once that occurs we are at the mercy of those running the state.

History has shown that that is not a good place to be.

The mark of the MASTER CLASS is their complete control of weapons. That is why the Brits in the house of lords carry swords on state occations and members of the house of commons do not.

So the question becomes one of trust vs some security.

Do you trust the people running the state enough to give them complete control over your life and the lives of your family?

If you do, vote for gun bans

 

"If the government went Redcoats and Communist on us, standard weapons will do the job they have always done. "

If that were so, why have nations not kept their good old mausers and mosins etc...Rush cannot be trusted..have not trusted him since 92

karl

[FC]

_{Well then I want us all to have MG42s, and when they are used in mass killings we can say it's our right to have them because the government has them.}

[karlunity]

You cannot give up your right to arms, just because a manic used those rights to commit an evil act.

Take a look at the pictures of the people in WW ll being shot into pits. I am sure many of them wished for a rifle or pistol before the ax fell. The only way to prevent people from misusing arms it to collect them all.

Than, we get to the little matter of trusting the people running the state once they then would have absolute power over us.

karl

[karlunity]

Since there are laws that forbid criminals and mental cases from owning arms, I would not object to a system of checking.

But I would want very strong limits and some group we could trust like the NRA in charge of it.

 

karl

 

P.S.

There are rich guys who collect fighter planes and tanks...running ones.

I saw it on TV...one of the few times I ever suffered from envy. : )

[FC]

Well, one thing you can say after all the posts is that no matter how you fall on this, you've had to defend your position. So when the time comes that you talk to somebody and the subject of firearms comes up, you are better prepared.

[AzRednek]

Regardless of the topic I feel as though I'm among friends. The numerous times I was in the hospital for lengthy stays and I had internet access. This board was usually the first place I went after reading my email. If anybody wants to vent about a personal problem well so be it.